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Thats not the exact answer .
please think and give the best answer as per best of your knowledge.as we think you are a technical personal and not a alphabatitical person or such a pre nursury baby.

Had already expressed my thoughts and point of view. Period.

Problem I see is that these people like the tools they are using and keep posting about them and suggesting them to other to get and use. They might just feel that what they have choosen to use in DR recovery is the best on the market for them and they are defending their imvestment. I see lots of post telling or suggesting people to buy PC3000 and others who bought clone version telling them to buy real version. So guess it is better not to suggest any repair tools what so ever and if you do own some do not let anyone know that you have them or use them then there is no dishonorable problems here.

I don't think it's dishonorable to promote particular hardware or software if you have experience with it and like it.

I think it IS dishonorable to have a vested interest in a product (e.g. be an employee of Ace or Salvation Data) and pretend that you are someone else offering an "objective" opinion.

If any kind of commercial "promotion" is considered "dishonest", then I'm guilty. I have offered an inexpensive tool to others that I had fabricated for our own use. I'm not in the business of selling tools -- I'm in the business of data recovery, and I didn't mind sharing a low-tech solution with a quick payback.

Dmitri . . . have I sinned?

Please Remove your avatar.
Maysoft, Could you please ban this person and kick him off?

Disagree. Creator knows his stuff and should be here IMO. An 'episode' can't be reason for such reaction !

I hope this topic turns into a price discount fight
cheaper DR tools for everyone

As the discussion is turning hot, It becomes more crucial to sort it out. Till now, there is no response from Dmitriy, Creator, Money Fan or mateomao .

Dmitriy, I request atleast to you once again, Please come here and shed some light on it.

Withyou,

By any chance, do you have a surname "Arora"??
You seem to be just a passive version of Dr. Arora, but with the same kiddo and foolish attitude. Even the same country.
A quick IP scan may reveal the things...

I think this thread will end in another neverending quarrel. That's the price of democracy

@HDDBUG, I already said that I had a strange dejavu feeling...

This looks like a common holywar, like windows users do with linux and mac users.
Everyone in this forum know that each product is designed for its own type of user, but they are still playing with this "Special Olympics" game.

I really wonder why I see no real compartion of different Data recovery products on this website. I mean I cannot see what utility support more models or more functions for some exact drive vendors.

I looked through several forums asked several serious people about situation on data recovery equipment market, and they say "Salvation Data is trying to copy PC-3000 UDMA code, and Atola invents its own bicycle".

As for me, the topic with "PC-3000 UDMA VS non-acelab-equipment" is just like "AK-47 VS Water-gun" topic. I believe it was funny sometimes before, but now it is not.

Hi Guys!

Today I entered hddguru forum and understood that suddenly I became a star So much talks about me... Well, ACE Lab worker - it sounds really great!
Unfortunately I do not work there, though I wanted to do it, so I have nothing to do than just to buy PC-3000. I live in Taganrog, Rostov region, that is a town near Rostov-on-Don where ACE Lab is situated. I graduated from Taganrog State Radioengineering University, and I know that many of ACE workers graduated from it too. I visited their company and I know also that the developers of PC-3000 previously used to work as the developers of Hard Disk Drives. So, I really respect these guys! We, Russians, are proud of the guys who live near us and develop such great things!!!

I am really amazed by the products they have invented and I am do the admirer of PC-3000. I visit Russian forums and some time ago I came here because many professionals from the different countries discuss here useful things.

Besides PC-3000, I have Soft Centre Flash Reader, and it helps me too. In many cases PC-3000 Flash helps me better, though in some cases Soft Centre Flash Reader does really the good job. On the whole, if I had a choice to buy PC-3000 Flash or Soft Centre Flash Reader, I would prefer PC-3000. But having both products gives more roads for me.

Yes, I posted about PC-3000 because I like it very much. If we think more general, than all people who are here can be divided into three-five groups because the number of tools for data recovery is rather limited. So I belong to the group of people who like PC-3000. But the idea is not to compete who is a fan of this or that tool, otherwise people start just to curse each other. Just everyone has a right to choose the tool he likes most of all.

About signature: I do not mind to be affiliated with ACE Lab, but it is better to tell the truth, so I ask Moderator to change a signature to "PC-3000 admirer", "PC-3000 loyal customer" or something like this. Thank you in advance

P S It is fun to be famous!!!

more like BETA tester who went to same university as the Acelab crew


I understand that not all tools are born equal

You also like it because PC3000 cost you about 800 Euro's LMFAO

Personally, it doesn't bother me that people working for specific companies speak highly of their product. I'm not a big fan of speaking negatively of a competitor's product, unless directly asked for a comparison. But, tact is always my preferred route.

I do think it is odd that most of the users on this site hide their personal identity and company they represent. Perhaps, it would make more sense to simply require each user identify themselves in their signature line. This way, if SalvationLaura wants to slam Ace Labs (not that I think she would), the readers can know that her opinion is biased. Of course, the only way this would work is with a monitored registration, which will likely deter the innocent DIY guys looking for a simple answer to their questions.

It happens everywhere.

Almost all forums I belong to have people that are hiding their identities because of many reasons.

1. Some just don't want their real names coming back when they are googled or they could be conducting research.
2. Others post misleading information because there goal is to put down other businesses and their products.
3. Some use their real name, along with contact information and business information, so that they can solicit work.

If I ask a question and get some good feed back I don't care which number you are. If you need help and I can offer assistance I don't care which number you are. If you bash a competitor that doesn't make me want to run out an buy your product. The people on the board that have good information to offer should post more appropriate things when they see a slamming, so that others will recognize it as what it is.

Answers like buy a PC3000 or send it to a professional are about the crappiest answers to any question. If you don't have time to respond to a question then don't. If you do then make it, so that someone will actually learn something on what was said. Remember even the smartest person on this board had to learn from someone.

Some of these answers are the best advice that can be given. We are hardly going to tell a newbie to swap the platters on his Seagate 7200.11 with a frozen spindle motor. Also buying pc3000 is also good advise, the manual contains lots of useful information.

No comment.

I decided to simply mark all their posts to reflect their affiliation with Ace Lab. I am still working on technical side of this; this turned out to be more complicated than I initially thought, so I will need some additional time for that. The signature that I have added does not work as expected (it does not show up on posts made after I added it).

Now, I’ve got several requests to provide some additional information regarding how exactly I found out about this. I did not rely solely on just matching IP addresses (although this was a factor, of course). I would not want to reveal the technique I used since it would make it easier for such persons to hide their true identity in future. However, if somebody really wants to know the details, I can provide them under an NDA. What I can tell is that what I use is extremely reliable to identify such people.

I’d like to emphasize that I am not saying everyone should stop mentioning any product. The only thing that should stop is promotion of any product in a way Ace Lab did (creating fake users to promote).

To clarify: I do not see anything dishonest when a company promotes their product. It becomes dishonest when a company creates fake “happy customers” who promote the product. It’s like if I would create a fake user on this forum and post “I bought Atola Insight and I am so happy with it and all other products are utter crap”.

Money fan
No comment. This isn’t funny at all.

I definitely do not get something about you guys (I mean Ace Lab). Why don’t you want to show even a tiny bit of respect to this community? (I do not even mention my products and my company. Our distributors were attacked and threatened by Ace Lab). I just “let it go” for so long time hoping one day we sit together with Ace Lab, have a beer and a good laugh about all this. But it seems that they do not realize when to stop. Ace Lab does not (or cannot) understand that PC-3000, Salvation Data and Atola Technology products are aimed at different markets (yes, there’s much more than one, and there’s still room for even more products!). Ace Lab is very aggressive for absolutely no reason.

I once again kindly ask Ace Lab to stop this. I am still hoping to have rather friendly/partner relationship instead of this. There’s definitely no room for such aggression in this tiny industry. Call me and we will sort this out (PM me if you do not have my number).

hi, Maysoft,
i appreciate it. you are right. and @Jono-ats, agree your opinion. you give a great chinese name for them!