Hi all,

I've been trying to figure out the naming scheme that Samsung uses for the model numbers of their drives, but I don't get it. PC3K manual is a bit outdated so doesn't help too much.

For example, these 2 drives:

HD103SI
'HD' I'm guessing is the interface, something relating to SATA? '10' is obviously the 1TB capacity. '3' is the series, F3? And the 'SI' I have no idea.
The PC3K manual says the 3rd digit, in this case '3' specifies the number of heads, but this is wrong. PC3K itself tells me the head map is 0,1,2,3 so 4 heads.

HD502HI
Once again I'm guess 'HD' is SATA interface, '50' being 500GB, '2' being F2 series? And the HI?

Any help clearing this up would be great, I wish ACE would update their manuals more often.

Cheers,
Nick

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AFAICT, HD denotes a Hard drive for Desktop applications.

HM = Hard drive for Mobile applications.

The last character appears to be related to the RPM and interface type.

X = USB
C = PATA
I = SATA, 5400 RPM
J = SATA, 7200 RPM

The third digit does not appear to be related to the series. For example, HD164GJ, HD163GJ, and HD502HJ are all F3 drives.

I suspect that the second last character is related to the number of heads or the platter density.

For example, notice that the second last character in the model numbers for the F3 series increases in ASCII value as the capacity increases:

HD163GJ
HD164GJ
HD253GJ
HD254GJ
HD323HJ
HD324HJ
HD502HJ
HD103SJ

Samsung product guides:
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem- ... 11_web.pdf
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem- ... GB_120.pdf

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Totally wrong. Never seen HD160JJ ?

What about the old SVxxxx, WUxxxx (3,5") and some oldest ?

So then, what do the 2nd and 3rd last characters signify? In your example of a HD160JJ what do the '0' and 'J' mean?

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"0" and "J" respectively

Lol, so in other words you don't know. I can't imagine model numbers are 'trade secrets'

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Can you let us in on the trade secret? :wink:

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On the contrary, I suspect it is you who is totally wrong. :mrgreen:

Have you never seen a manufacturer's model nomenclature change between generations?

For example, compare WD's old model numbering system against its current one.

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/o ... 001028.pdf
http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/o ... 701261.pdf
http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/o ... 705045.pdf

Or take Seagate's model numbering system. The first digit after the capacity reflects the cache memory size. A "6" in earlier models denotes 16MB, whereas in current models it denotes 64MB. Seagate's serial numbers are another example. The first three characters appear to indicate the manufacturing location, platter type, and number of heads. The characters appear to be consistent within a particular generation, but can be completely different in another generation.

As for Samsung's earlier 2007 product range, the same pattern seems to apply as for the current generation:
http://www.samsung.com/eu/business/semi ... 07_HDD.pdf

It apppears that G = 1 head, H = 2 heads, I = 3 heads, J = 4 heads.


Spinpoint N2 PATA (ZIF) 4200 RPM

40GB (2HEADS)
HS040HB
HS04THB

60GB (2HEADS)
HS060HB
HS06THB

80GB (2HEADS)
HS080HB
HS082HB

100GB (4HEADS)
HS10TJB

120GB (4HEADS)
HS12SJB
HS12TJB


Spinpoint N1 (3600rpm) (PATA/ZIF) (CE-ATA)

30GB (1HEAD)
HS031GA
HS031GP

20GB (1HEAD)
HS021GA
HS021GP

40GB (2HEADS)
HS041HA
HS041HP

60GB (2HEADS)
HS061HA
HS061HP


Spinpoint N1 (4200rpm) (PATA/ZIF) (CE-ATA)

30GB (1HEAD)
HS030GB
HS030GQ

20GB (1HEAD)
HS020GB
HS020GQ

40GB (2HEADS)
HS040HB
HS040HQ

60GB (2HEADS)
HS060HB
HS060HQ


Spinpoint P80SD SATA 7200 RPM

HD040GJ
HD080HJ
HD120IJ
HD160JJ


Spinpoint M5 SATA 5400 RPM

HM061GI
HM121HI
HM160HI
HM250JI


Spinpoint M80 SATA 5400 RPM

HM080HI
HM160JI
HM120II


Spinpoint MP100 SATA 7200 RPM

HM080HJ
HM081HJ
HM120IJ
HM121IJ
HM160JJ
HM200JJ


Spinpoint M80 ATA-6 5400 RPM

HM080HC
HM120IC
HM160JC


Spinpoint M60 SATA 5400 RPM

HM040HI
HM060HI
HM080II
HM100JI
HM120JI


Spinpoint M60 ATA-6 5400 RPM

HM040HC
HM060HC
HM080IC
HM100JC
HM120JC


Spinpoint M40 SATA 5400 RPM

HM040HI
HM060II
HM080JI


Spinpoint MH80 SATA 5400 RPM

HM08HHI
HM12HII
HM16HJI

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The problem is that between theory and reality there are a lot of UNTOLD things.
Open some different capacity drives same family and if you are lucky enough ... surprise !!
(also works on SV2042H and 1021H for example and if you want extra delight check also the microcode in the lucky case...)
Obviously you cannot check the configuration before opening , so you have to open them.

I said "WRONG" in answer to a specific post. Discussion over for me.

I see no errors at all.

Can you be more specific? Which specific post, and which part of this post, is "WRONG"?

BTW, talk about preamps, skew, and private research, has nothing to do with model numbers, and is therefore off-topic for this thread.

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A little more research suggests the following:

A = PATA, 3600 RPM
B = PATA, 4200 RPM
C = PATA, 5400 RPM
D = PATA, 7200 RPM
P = CEATA, 3600 RPM
Q = CEATA, 4200 RPM

L = 6 heads
K = 5 heads

The HD502HI has 2 heads (500GB per platter). However, the HD103SI seems to depart from the above system, although the second last letter still appears to reflect the number of heads.

http://www.samsung.com/global/system/bu ... rev0.2.pdf

HD502HI -- 2 heads
HD102SI -- 4 heads
HD103SI -- 4 heads
HD153UI -- 6 heads
HD154UI -- 6 heads

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HD 160JJ : a lot smaller than HD102 but J comes after H ...

Facts:


SpinPoint F3 and SpinPoint F2EG are NOT "families" . It's like saying "caviar blue" or "caviar green" for another brand.

Examples :
SV1021H (V11+) CAN be (but they won't tell you unless you open it OR send certain techno commands) a SV2042H with disabled head...
HD160JJ can come in TWO different version with same model number from two sub-families of P80 (THESE are the technical families, not generic commercial "F3") - totally different drives with totally different microcode (respectively WU100-4x and ZM100-4x).
HD161HJ , this time belonging to same FAMILY , can come in two flavor with different chip on board, one has GF100-1x the other GF100-xx firmware. Nevertheless you may find HD080HJ that has been made from HD161HJ ... and you get it when you open it

If the 3rd number was in pure hypothesis related to the head number, HD080 would have had 0 heads (the perfect HDD with no moving parts, maybe ).

Conclusion : the overall difference is that generic available documentation is for average joe and for Google, technical info is another story, hypothesis are another different story.

So what? The HD160JJ is not an F3 drive.

I wrote ...

"Notice that the second last character in the model numbers for the F3 series increases in ASCII value as the capacity increases."

The same statement, if applied to the HD160JJ, would have been ...

"Notice that the second last character in the model numbers for the P80SD series increases in ASCII value as the capacity increases."

Spinpoint P80SD SATA 7200 RPM

HD040GJ
HD080HJ
HD120IJ
HD160JJ


I don't see anywhere where I've used the word, "family".


The OP appears to be interested in the "HD" drives. The "SV" model nomenclature is obviously different, therefore the "HD" and "HM" interpretations do not apply in this case. So why bring it up?


So what? One drive may have additional disabled heads, but the model number reflects the enabled heads.


What are you talking about? The HD080HJ has 2 heads.

I wrote ...

"It apppears that G = 1 head, H = 2 heads, I = 3 heads, J = 4 heads."

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GENERIC request for Samsung drives NAMING SCHEME so not limited to F3. The two drives after were an example and the product line ( fortunately / unfortunately ) is not limited to F3 or recent.
I also pointed out that there are too many variables including downsized or repaired drives, so there is no 100% sure way to know what's inside the drive (happened so many times). So the model number / label MAY or MAY NOT reflect the real internal consistence and this is absolutely relevant on DR if you order blindly donor parts/drives. PERIOD.

The thing that is right is that I didn't read the early "F3" so HD160 naming doesn't apply as it belongs to a sub of P80x/xy. and the example was about HD drives that are many. Simply didn't read it accurately.

In the following models, the last numeric character appears to reflect the number of heads.


P120S -- SATA2, 7200 RPM

SP2504C
SP2004C


P120 -- PATA, 7200 RPM

SP2514N
SP2014N


P80 -- PATA, 7200 RPM

SP1644N
SP1654N
SP1243N
SP1253N
SP0842N


M40 -- PATA, 5400 RPM

MP0402H

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I just found the following article on Seagate's web site ...

How to interpret Seagate (and Samsung) model numbers [204763]:
http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/s ... cId=204763

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Handy, thanks Franc.

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