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 Post subject: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 19th, 2014, 4:44 
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hello, every one
I have a Samsung HM502JX portable drive, with a bad USB2.0 board
Now I've found a same model donor, yet they are different in p/n.
I put the donor board on the target drive.
It spins up without any noise, however, it stays BSY and couldn't be recognized.


I tried to download maincode or HTcode with PC3000 into the drive.
But it always shows: Error pulse set error; Terminal is busy
I can't send any command.

Here's the log in terminal.

    SPOK
    mS1 00000003
    A1O=127 A1G=425
    O=515 S=0
    SK C: 4584 H:0
    Scan BS ..
    Boot Sector Error! Take a default.
    Loaded FIT ( 0: 0: 1)
    Reso Table Loaded
    RRO1X Read OK
    Overlay Code Loaded to 0x1004A000

I'm not sure if it's the compatibility of the PCB or any other problem
any suggestion would be appreciated
many thx :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 19th, 2014, 16:03 
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U didn't swap rom. If u swapped then actually the rom is bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 19th, 2014, 16:17 
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Try repairing the PCB. IIRC, some Samsung USB PCBs have a common problem that can be fixed by reflowing solder to a particular inductor.

Post some photos if you need help.

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 1:19 
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shahij wrote:
U didn't swap rom. If u swapped then actually the rom is bad.


fzabkar wrote:
Try repairing the PCB. IIRC, some Samsung USB PCBs have a common problem that can be fixed by reflowing solder to a particular inductor.

Post some photos if you need help.


dear shahij and fzabkar
I'm not sure if I can fix the PCB, cuz it's in a very bad condition.
The MCU has been removed before.
I wonder if the chip on the back with 8-pin is EPROM or not?
Havent try it yet. or should I swap the MCU :shock:
Thx for helping


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File comment: original board
HM502JX BF41-00282A 1.JPG
HM502JX BF41-00282A 1.JPG [ 442.7 KiB | Viewed 7600 times ]

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 1:20 
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the front of the board


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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 3:17 
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These threads might help:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25581
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18075

The EEPROM on the underside is associated with the bridge IC. It doesn't need to be moved. The HDD "ROM" code is embedded within the Marvell MCU. BTW, it doesn't look to me like the MCU has been replaced. If it has, then it's a very neat job.

As for the damage (?) around the USB connector, ISTM that a decent tech should be able to clean it up.

What were the original symptoms? Did the drive spin up? Was it a USB detection issue? Can you measure the voltages at the 4R7 coils? One coil is slightly damaged, but it may still be OK.

If you are unsuccessful with your repairs, and if the drive still spins up but is not detected, then you could try converting the drive to SATA. This will bypass any defective bridge circuitry.

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 7:53 
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fzabkar wrote:
These threads might help:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25581
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18075

The EEPROM on the underside is associated with the bridge IC. It doesn't need to be moved. The HDD "ROM" code is embedded within the Marvell MCU. BTW, it doesn't look to me like the MCU has been replaced. If it has, then it's a very neat job.

As for the damage (?) around the USB connector, ISTM that a decent tech should be able to clean it up.

What were the original symptoms? Did the drive spin up? Was it a USB detection issue? Can you measure the voltages at the 4R7 coils? One coil is slightly damaged, but it may still be OK.

If you are unsuccessful with your repairs, and if the drive still spins up but is not detected, then you could try converting the drive to SATA. This will bypass any defective bridge circuitry.


fzabkar, thx for reply

here's a closer picture, the MCU is floating :?
I don't know what happened before I get this drive, but I guess it was a fw problem or just not spinning.

I've converted the drive to SATA interface, it's not recognized as well, stayed BSY.
Luckily, it spins up without noise.
And the log in terminal was attached above.


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File comment: closer MCU
M7S2 HM502JX BF41-00282A 3.JPG
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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 16:06 
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I repeat, This is a rom issue according to the terminal.
Chk if the mcu is original, if so, swap it. If needed, take help from high end soldering expert.

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 16:49 
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Originally you said ...

shahij wrote:
U didn't swap rom. If u swapped then actually the rom is bad.

Now you are saying ...

shahij wrote:
I repeat, This is a rom issue according to the terminal.
Chk if the mcu is original, if so, swap it.

That's not the same thing.

As for the MCU, its date code is "0949", and this matches the "949" on the SDRAM. It's not conclusive proof, but it would suggest that the MCU is native.

happygo wrote:
I've converted the drive to SATA interface, it's not recognized as well, stayed BSY.
Luckily, it spins up without noise.
And the log in terminal was attached above.

Converting the donor PCB to SATA would have changed nothing. I was suggesting this as a possible solution for damaged bridge circuitry on the patient PCB.

The log is suggesting that the drive hangs after loading the MOVLY001 module from the SA. This module needs to be compatible with the ROM code on the PCB. That appears to be where your problem lies.

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 20:22 
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I hesitate to even ask, but I assume that you resoldered the MCU properly? If not, it's no wonder the ROM and SA overlays don't match. My apologies if I've insulted your intelligence.

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 20th, 2014, 21:27 
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Dear fzabkar, in my both posts i indicated the issue with rom. While i was with first, the pcb pic was not present, that's why i used the term swap rom, or the rom is bad. In the 2nd post, based ur information that the rom is embedded on mcu n the picture of pcb, i refined the same word its rom either its on eprom or mcu. I just wanted to clarify its rom.
In the next part u r correct that it hangs on movly, yes, it happens when rom mismatch. Either the rom is not native or if native then its bad. Or can be bad soldering job according to the info of larrysabo.

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 21st, 2014, 1:05 
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dear fzabkar, LarrySabo, shahij

as i mentioned, the original board was totally messed, i dont wanna try using it.
I understand what shahij suggested
actually, I just want to make sure if there is another way out, like write maincode, except swap the ROM which is written in MCU
(cuz not sure if it is the original. and it's a tough work)

guess I'm having no other options
i'll try swap the MCU

wish me luck :wink:
and thanks for helping :D :D :D

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 Post subject: Re: Samsung HM502JX USB2.0 with bad board
PostPosted: August 21st, 2014, 4:29 
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fzabkar wrote:
The log is suggesting that the drive hangs after loading the MOVLY001 module from the SA. This module needs to be compatible with the ROM code on the PCB. That appears to be where your problem lies.


agreed with fzabkar.
try hot swap since you already have the donor drive.

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