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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 2nd, 2018, 23:54 
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I have a lot to take in from all of the responses and I humbly acknowledge that MHDD is not a tool that I have used frequently. Therefore, after reviewing and thinking through all of the responses, I will spend extra time with MHDD to see if I can yield any other results as a result of perhaps not utilizing it properly. I'm working to keep my head above water right now but I will post further tests soon. I'm grateful for all of the responses regarding my issue.

Just so you know, I myself struggle with how to use MHDD, which is why I am not offering to help in that respect, and am expecting the others to offer their help. If you every get to a point where you need help with the likes of HDDSuperTool or HDDSuperClone, then I can be of much more help.


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 3rd, 2018, 9:05 
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Okay, so after a long day of tangential BS, I had time to mess with MHDD. It turns out that even though I used the primary input and had tried enabling it by modifying it’s cfg file, it still wasn’t actually working. I tried throwing the commandline option to enable the primary, and it was the same thing. The BIOS was set in Legacy mode. So, I just decided to switch over to the 2nd SATA. It worked right away on a normal drive, with normal results and info about the drive.

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Again, the above images are from a normal, functioning drive.


The TOSHIBA drive caused the system to hang.
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I tried the TOSHIBA pcb by itself. It did not show up in the options like the normal drive did and it also didn’t hang the system (that is freeze MHDD).
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It allowed me to continue selecting various menus in MHDD, but the selection menu was always empty.


I think this gives me something good to go on. The laptop that was in has had to have the power jack replaced in 2016 something. I think between the connect/ disconnect surges something was damaged by electricity. There’s zero burn smell and nothing looks fried. It could have been death by a thousand cuts. So I need to take these results and review what’s been written about them so far. I don’t remember anything from sleep deprivation and insomnia. If I see a move for using the TTL cable I’ll give it a go.


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 3rd, 2018, 9:51 
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Just so you know, I myself struggle with how to use MHDD, which is why I am not offering to help in that respect, and am expecting the others to offer their help. If you every get to a point where you need help with the likes of HDDSuperTool or HDDSuperClone, then I can be of much more help.



I'm working to get to a point where I can try issuing a terminal stop to the drive since it seems to be in infinite seek mode. The recent mhdd results, coupled with some of the feed back from others, does seem to indicate some sort of firmware issue imho. I don't think HDDSuperclone will be an option until I can get control over what the drive is doing. Terminal test, attempt at ROM retrieval, ROM CP breakdown, CRC checks ( I assume I need a healthy ROM to use as a control?). I just need to get to a certain point then things will be in place to give HDDSuperClone a shot. It sounds promising. Again, I appreciate all of the feedback from all of you. You helped me catch the fact that the MHDD primary disable wasn't being disabled by a modified config or commandline option. Maybe it's a hardware compatibility issue, a number of drivers fail on boot with the boot disk I'm using. Most seemed unnecessary.

Spiltit has given me a long list of things to be examining so that's next along with what ever I come across on the way.... Slow and steady...


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 3rd, 2018, 17:33 
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Either the motherboard is sending that info to MHDD or the drive itself have bad PCB and is causing that info to be displayed on MHDD. If you use a proper hardware card from a firmware tool you shouldn't see that sort of "pattern" (unless the PCB on the drive is causing it).

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You can try to plug just the PCB to your system and check if MHDD displays diferent data. Also you can try with a known good Toshiba drive (PCB only).

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 3rd, 2018, 20:14 
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Now that you have MHDD figured out, it shows the drive is staying in the busy state. Time to work with the terminal, for which I am no help at all, so that will be all @spildit.

HDDSuperClone won't help you at all until you get the drive responding normally. If you would not have been able to get MHDD to work, I was going to offer help on how to use HDDSuperTool to get the status registers, but you figured out MHDD.


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Ok, your posts were added later on when i did already published mine.

Time for terminal.

Here get one of those - http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=192 and connect it to the drive like this : - http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=751

With something like HyperTerminal or putty try to press enter and check if you can see a ">" prompts. If so the drive should "leave" the BSY state and should allow you to use ATA commands. You would then need to issue the "Super On" by ATA and the command to regenerate the G-List secto and teh S.M.A.R.T. sector assuming you don't have a way to "bypass" the G-List and calculate the "translator" outside of the drive matching LBA to PBA yourself accouting with the P-List shifts.

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 4th, 2018, 5:29 
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Spildit wrote:
You can try to plug just the PCB to your system and check if MHDD displays diferent data. Also you can try with a known good Toshiba drive (PCB only).


That's what I did with the last 2 pictures. MHDD doesn't freeze the system when I do that. But it doesn't see the PCB at all. With the PCB+drive connected it will cause MHDD to lock up as soon as I hit shift+f3 to select a system. It starts to display the options and gets to the second controller where it's hooked up and it hangs.

I think from many other posts what needs to happen is that I test my TTL connection and try to get terminal to stop the BSY state. Once that happens I'll just have to see if it will take and use commands. I've found some threads that look like they're on this exact topic from a few days back. Gonna keep reading and digging for a bit. I keep realizing various things I had on there like my cross-examination questions I had just updated. Ugh. What's life without a challenge? I'll report back in with progress. Also need to snag some other software to get a feel for things better. Victoria looks good.

EDIT: You just responded. I'm moving that direction now. Don't think I'll get any bench work in tonight because my back and hamstrings hurt so bad from chronic issues that only got 5:30hrs sleep and was up til like 10am. I will be reading as many threads as I can on this stuff while I rest in bed. The journey continues....


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
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maximus wrote:
Now that you have MHDD figured out, it shows the drive is staying in the busy state. Time to work with the terminal, for which I am no help at all, so that will be all @spildit.

HDDSuperClone won't help you at all until you get the drive responding normally. If you would not have been able to get MHDD to work, I was going to offer help on how to use HDDSuperTool to get the status registers, but you figured out MHDD.


I'd feel more comfortable with MHDD if I didn't think it may not be running entirely normal. It didn't respond to turning on the primary controller via 2 separate methods. It's on a ramdisk and I confirmed that the edited .cfg file had the # removed.

Gonna read up on terminal use and some other progs with Toshiba. Sediv, Victoria, think there's another....


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 4th, 2018, 8:26 
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Spildit wrote:
Ok, your posts were added later on when i did already published mine.

Time for terminal.

Here get one of those - http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=192 and connect it to the drive like this : - http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=751

With something like HyperTerminal or putty try to press enter and check if you can see a ">" prompts. If so the drive should "leave" the BSY state and should allow you to use ATA commands. You would then need to issue the "Super On" by ATA and the command to regenerate the G-List secto and teh S.M.A.R.T. sector assuming you don't have a way to "bypass" the G-List and calculate the "translator" outside of the drive matching LBA to PBA yourself accouting with the P-List shifts.


Hyperterminal isn't able to get through. I already tested the voltage on each of the 4 TTL ends. They match what the vendor provided. The loopback test in hyperterminal worked so I know transmission and reception is working. I haven't seen what people do in this scenario.

I have a full working TOSHIBA replacement drive that matches mine (model, firmware ver., date of manufac.) so I expect no differences between aside from whatever may be on the ROM for serials. I don't know what good it will do at this point.

I'm definitely disappointed that the hyperterminal attempt didn't work. I had the right com port and all.


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
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Spildit wrote:
Ok, your posts were added later on when i did already published mine.

Time for terminal.

Here get one of those - http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=192 and connect it to the drive like this : - http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=751

With something like HyperTerminal or putty try to press enter and check if you can see a ">" prompts. If so the drive should "leave" the BSY state and should allow you to use ATA commands. You would then need to issue the "Super On" by ATA and the command to regenerate the G-List secto and teh S.M.A.R.T. sector assuming you don't have a way to "bypass" the G-List and calculate the "translator" outside of the drive matching LBA to PBA yourself accouting with the P-List shifts.



I don't know if I properly hit publish on my last message as I don't see it posted. Hyperterminal didn't work with the drive. I did a loopback test and know the TTL cable was working. I'm waiting on an ordered TOSHIBA drive that has matching model, firmware, and manufacture date. Gonna have to see what my options are with that.


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PostPosted: February 5th, 2018, 9:18 
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If you are going to receive another Toshiba drive, first thing is to test the cable / hyperterminal with it, so that you know that part of your equipment is working correctly.


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Press "enter" on terminal on the known good drive. You should see a ">" prompt.

As alternative send the drive to someone with more experienece for data recovery.....

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
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Spildit wrote:
As alternative send the drive to someone with more experienece for data recovery.....

+1, this is outside of the possible scope of what the OP can accomplish DIY. If the data is that important, get professional recovery. Data recovery firms have privacy policies. If your work is just controversial, you should not need to worry about the recovery. As @spildit stated earlier, if it doesn't contain something as volatile as child porn, you should have no issues. If you have gravely illegal things on it and are worried about being discovered, then maybe we shouldn't be helping you anyway.


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PostPosted: February 16th, 2018, 10:59 
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If you are going to receive another Toshiba drive, first thing is to test the cable / hyperterminal with it, so that you know that part of your equipment is working correctly.



I'll be doing this. I spent the past few hours refreshing my lead addled brain with the subject matter and various possibilities before me. I know the other drive works. I ran MHDD Diags on it and there's no issues. It's detected. I've been taking pictures to log my progress and for reference.


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
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Spildit wrote:
Press "enter" on terminal on the known good drive. You should see a ">" prompt.

As alternative send the drive to someone with more experienece for data recovery.....


I'll be checking that soon. Perhaps tomorrow. I have to step back and take stock of everything I have going on.

I need to exhaust my options with the drive under my control first. It's like I said the first time, the moment that thing goes out in the mail I've opened up the possibility that all my legal work that's been typed or DL'd is gone forever. That drive could never make it to you for all I know. It could be intercepted by networked and corrupt judiciary members and lackeys. I'm just trying to reduce to possibility of the data absolutely becoming unrecoverable by exhausting my options on this end. If I get to that point and by good fortune manage to get the drive out to someone such as yourself, then all of my options hinge on the competency and skillset of the DR specialist. There's a world between us. I'm in Hawaii. :D I think you can get my position. It seems like the most rational from my perspective. Countless hours, days, weeks, and months, have gone into my digital library on law, energy, electricity, and other hobbies.


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba Firmware appears to be corrupt, suggestions?
PostPosted: February 16th, 2018, 11:33 
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maximus wrote:
Spildit wrote:
As alternative send the drive to someone with more experienece for data recovery.....

+1, this is outside of the possible scope of what the OP can accomplish DIY. If the data is that important, get professional recovery. Data recovery firms have privacy policies. If your work is just controversial, you should not need to worry about the recovery. As @spildit stated earlier, if it doesn't contain something as volatile as child porn, you should have no issues. If you have gravely illegal things on it and are worried about being discovered, then maybe we shouldn't be helping you anyway.


Just about any thing is possible if one puts their mind to it. I'm the living example. I was writing drivers for generic mice in ASM in 11th grade, msDOS TSRs that snagged the school network admin password :lol: , and those skills helped land me a job doing functional brain imaging after college. I like challenges. I just need to keep reading a bit on this topic.The solution might be right around the corner for me and looks like it could be, or I may determine the only method is to try to have the PC3000 type interface used as a pass through for recovery. I'm less worried about privacy than I am about having to track down legal filings, scan them into adobe, convert them to text, re-enter and reformat legal briefs. I just finished a 24 page one that took 3-4 days of work and my carpel tunnel is acting up. But that's still less than having to re-type from scratch. Plus there's video evidence on there of a unlawful traffic stop. I'm not into any porn and kiddy porn people should get torched alive just like pedophiles, but not on the weak standards DAs have for pretty much all crimes so they rack up wins (don't torch the innocent). Porn is messing up the population at large by creating easy access to something that floods the dopamine circuits in the brain. It's bad news, especially for people with low self control. It even lowers their instincts to be closer to that of an animal which is readily manipulable by stimulus-response Pavlovian conditioning. Any way, not trying to look down my nose at others, just look out for people who don't necessarily see the long term harm with something that may seem benign. How bout them cigarettes? Cancer....who would have known, right?

Persuasion is an interesting thing. But like I've said earlier I need to reduce the likelihood of potential permanent loss by exhausting my options before trusting that said drive could make it from point A to B without any problems. Neither I nor you all have any control over the supremely competent people hired for postal transport. I'm sure they'd never throw any thing labeled fragile.

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Time to call it a night. I'll be back at this soon enough. Thanks for all the responses. I am starting to think it's possible the ROM is damaged but gotta do more reading and testing...


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