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PostPosted: June 26th, 2018, 9:21 
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Solving Seagate Rosewood having Translator issue, and No sector or partial sector are accessible.

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 Post subject: Re: Solving Seagate Rosewood having Translator issue.
PostPosted: June 27th, 2018, 10:27 
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Please remove this video.
Regenaration translator is very dangerouse process, all data stored in media cash will be lost, and, usually, this is most recent files on the drive.
In your case, situation could be solved different way, without translator regen option. You just fixed this way MCMT table or something else. But it should be fixed safely without lossing data in it.
In all new seagate drives translator regeneration is not neccessary. Problem elsewere.
We dont want have a disk to be recovered after such unprofessional actions by other companies. Clients data is in dengerouse with such attempts.
Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
publications tutorials based on their equipment.

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PostPosted: June 27th, 2018, 12:12 
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(...)Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
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I don't know how this would legaly be possible...

It's called "fair use" ...

If you buy ANY product you can for example go to your facebook, youtube, etc and post pictures/videos of it saying that you like (or not) the product ! You can show how you are using it as well.

I don't think that ACE would be able to LEGALY do something regarding people showing a product that they did buy ...

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 Post subject: Re: Solving Seagate Rosewood having Translator issue.
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But yes, you are correct about this :

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Please remove this video.
Regenaration translator is very dangerouse process, all data stored in media cash will be lost, and, usually, this is most recent files on the drive.
In your case, situation could be solved different way, without translator regen option. You just fixed this way MCMT table or something else. But it should be fixed safely without lossing data in it.
In all new seagate drives translator regeneration is not neccessary. Problem elsewere.
We dont want have a disk to be recovered after such unprofessional actions by other companies. Clients data is in dengerouse with such attempts.


:D :D :D

Same goes for clearing the MC...

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 Post subject: Re: Solving Seagate Rosewood having Translator issue.
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Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
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This is nonsense.

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DR-Kiev wrote:
Please remove this video.
Regenaration translator is very dangerouse process, all data stored in media cash will be lost, and, usually, this is most recent files on the drive.
In your case, situation could be solved different way, without translator regen option. You just fixed this way MCMT table or something else. But it should be fixed safely without lossing data in it.
In all new seagate drives translator regeneration is not neccessary. Problem elsewere.
We dont want have a disk to be recovered after such unprofessional actions by other companies. Clients data is in dengerouse with such attempts.
Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
publications tutorials based on their equipment.



Well,
Do you have a better idea how this could be solved .Please let us know .Its called Media Cache Not Media Cash .Till Today i have seen just two methods that are used by acelab company to recover data on rosewoods ,One working in level 2 and second translator regen .So i wonder what you are talking about here .

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 Post subject: Re: Solving Seagate Rosewood having Translator issue.
PostPosted: June 27th, 2018, 18:42 
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Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:

Well,
Do you have a better idea how this could be solved .Please let us know .Its called Media Cache Not Media Cash .Till Today i have seen just two methods that are used by acelab company to recover data on rosewoods ,One working in level 2 and second translator regen .So i wonder what you are talking about here .


You do need to wait for ACE to release version 6.5 of their PC-3000. Did you attend the conference in Las Vegas ?

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The "new" method involves reading 348, using "media cache parser" to see error(s), then using "fix timestamp" (if the issue is the corrupt time stamp), save MC module, use a terminal command to clear MC module, then write back fixed MC mod that you saved.


Most likely ACE will release some blog post about this when they do release the now function on the new version of PC-3000 ...

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Yes there is 1 more way to solve it.

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Spildit wrote:
DR-Kiev wrote:
(...)Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
publications tutorials based on their equipment.


I don't know how this would legaly be possible...

It's called "fair use" ...

If you buy ANY product you can for example go to your facebook, youtube, etc and post pictures/videos of it saying that you like (or not) the product ! You can show how you are using it as well.

I don't think that ACE would be able to LEGALY do something regarding people showing a product that they did buy ...

Well, probably it is not possible legaly sue such a ocasions, but it is almost probably make claim to Youtube to reomove such videos based of things like "Copyrights".
AceLab let us crearly know that they are not permit to share knowlege we received on their conferences or trainings. Nobody was permitted to record Acelab's speech
And morality things. You can share your own findings but you cant share knowlege when you recieve it from someone else, let them to use their rights by own.

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 Post subject: Re: Solving Seagate Rosewood having Translator issue.
PostPosted: June 28th, 2018, 3:58 
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Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
DR-Kiev wrote:
Please remove this video.
Regenaration translator is very dangerouse process, all data stored in media cash will be lost, and, usually, this is most recent files on the drive.
In your case, situation could be solved different way, without translator regen option. You just fixed this way MCMT table or something else. But it should be fixed safely without lossing data in it.
In all new seagate drives translator regeneration is not neccessary. Problem elsewere.
We dont want have a disk to be recovered after such unprofessional actions by other companies. Clients data is in dengerouse with such attempts.
Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
publications tutorials based on their equipment.



Well,
Do you have a better idea how this could be solved .Please let us know .Its called Media Cache Not Media Cash .Till Today i have seen just two methods that are used by acelab company to recover data on rosewoods ,One working in level 2 and second translator regen .So i wonder what you are talking about here .


Yes, there is a way to solve similar cases without option to regenarate translator. This option is absolutely harmfull for new disks with MC. If you are still using it you are making harm to the clients data, making 99% unavailable to recover recent files stored in MC.
If you wanna know how to do that, attend trainings and acelab conferences. They intoduced such knowlege in Praaue and in LasVegas confereces.

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DR-Kiev wrote:
Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
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This is nonsense.


It's not only nonsense, it's quite the opposite of true. Ace once even asked me to help out with producing tutorials that can help new users. Even sent me a list of topics they'd like to eventually have videos for. It's all free marketing for them.

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DR-Kiev wrote:
Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
DR-Kiev wrote:
Please remove this video.
Regenaration translator is very dangerouse process, all data stored in media cash will be lost, and, usually, this is most recent files on the drive.
In your case, situation could be solved different way, without translator regen option. You just fixed this way MCMT table or something else. But it should be fixed safely without lossing data in it.
In all new seagate drives translator regeneration is not neccessary. Problem elsewere.
We dont want have a disk to be recovered after such unprofessional actions by other companies. Clients data is in dengerouse with such attempts.
Moreover, i suspect, Acelab company doesn't give permits for
publications tutorials based on their equipment.



Well,
Do you have a better idea how this could be solved .Please let us know .Its called Media Cache Not Media Cash .Till Today i have seen just two methods that are used by acelab company to recover data on rosewoods ,One working in level 2 and second translator regen .So i wonder what you are talking about here .


Yes, there is a way to solve similar cases without option to regenarate translator. This option is absolutely harmfull for new disks with MC. If you are still using it you are making harm to the clients data, making 99% unavailable to recover recent files stored in MC.
If you wanna know how to do that, attend trainings and acelab conferences. They intoduced such knowlege in Praaue and in LasVegas confereces.



Well,
Sometimes we know this even without attending conferences .Some of the concepts they introduced like solving slow response without doing or touching firmware was introduced by me ages ago even before they taught you guys in conferences .Each And every Student i have trained in central , south and east and west india can confirm this .Situations are changing now there are smart guys in many places and not necessary concentrated in one place .Leave it matter closed from my side

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I have just attended the Ace Labs conference in Las Vegas. Ace have created a way to resolve media cache issues with Rosewoods. As stated earlier, the media cache on modern drives can be extremely large (up to 90GB). The media cache does contain a lot of recently saved data. Ace did not have a launch data for the fix, but I can assure you it does work and will be available soon.

Also included with be a way to physically recover the entire media cache for examination from a forensic standpoint. So even if the drive has been wiped, the media cache will contain a lot of recent files.

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ddrecovery wrote:
I have just attended the Ace Labs conference in Las Vegas. Ace have created a way to resolve media cache issues with Rosewoods. As stated earlier, the media cache on modern drives can be extremely large (up to 90GB). The media cache does contain a lot of recently saved data. Ace did not have a launch data for the fix, but I can assure you it does work and will be available soon.

Also included with be a way to physically recover the entire media cache for examination from a forensic standpoint. So even if the drive has been wiped, the media cache will contain a lot of recent files.



Tim,
i am fully aware of all of this ,I have full details what was shown there and how they reconstruct that .Translator Regen is Done in Very Few Drives Not All .Today itself i solved a rosewood with head damage and firmware issue without doing anything in translator .I am waiting when this update will be available till then i can do this manually ,Cheers Man :D

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DR-Kiev wrote:
(...)Well, probably it is not possible legaly sue such a ocasions, but it is almost probably make claim to Youtube to reomove such videos based of things like "Copyrights".(...)


Wouldn't work.

Showing the tool in action (PC-3000 or any other tool) when filmed by the person who did buy the tool (pc-3000 and any other) and posted on youtube or wherever would fall under the category of "fair use". You can't copy the software or the hardware to provide the tool to other people but you can film your own tool that you did buy and post about it even if it's bad stuff like saying that the tool is crap, etc ... Would simply fall under the "fair use" under the eyes of the law so it would be hard to remove videos that way...

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Yes, there is a way to solve similar cases without option to regenarate translator. This option is absolutely harmfull for new disks with MC. If you are still using it you are making harm to the clients data, making 99% unavailable to recover recent files stored in MC.
If you wanna know how to do that, attend trainings and acelab conferences. They intoduced such knowlege in Praaue and in LasVegas confereces.


Sure. - http://forum.acelaboratory.com/viewtopi ... 736#p35092

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Also included with be a way to physically recover the entire media cache for examination from a forensic standpoint. So even if the drive has been wiped, the media cache will contain a lot of recent files.


This is cool !!!

I bet that if you can access that "space" with whatever tool you do have you can later "carve" the data out of it. Of course recent used files. Might have a special value in investigation, etc ...

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 Post subject: Re: Solving Seagate Rosewood having Translator issue.
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Well,

Seagate Rosewood drives are with firmware lock, the very first thing is to unlock; after that, we can not regenerate translator immediately, cuz that will lead to user sector access interruption and we can not restore the disk to the status before regenerating translator (but with backup of sys file, such attempt will have no threat to client data, we can still restore the disk to its original status).

The right procedures to fix Rosewood are:
1. Unlocking;
2. Backup firmwares especially sys file of 28 and 35;
3. Recalculate translator, and fix user sector access interruption (Restore the disk to its original status with the ablility of writing back sys file).


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