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 Post subject: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 17th, 2018, 16:58 
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Hi everyone!
Currently, I am solving my first case (personal issue) because my Toshiba HDD in laptop has failed. I have put my HDD out of laptop and connected through AXAGO SATAtoUSB adapter to my second laptop to check the data. That seems I can see the disk, but when i try to access to disk location in This PC, all PC is getting freeze and it is very very slow and almost stuck. I have tried to run ChkDsk and run Recuva, EaseUS, but no software can even access to the connected disk location (freezing until disk is disconnected)

I think that have been getting worse during next 20 minutes of attempts, so I decided to buy a donor, take the patient's platter out and take it to donor afterwards.

I have found some possible donor, but I am not pretty sure if it is compatible:

Patient:
DISK DRIVE: MQ01ABF050
DRIVE REV: AAE AA10/AM0B1J
DATE: 13FEB2016
S/N: 26DCWR72T 0IA HDKCB06E3A01 T
Made in Philippines

POssible Donor is here:

DISK DRIVE: MQ01ABF050
Drive REV: AAH AB11/AMOP4C
DATE: 18JAN2016
S/N: 18IFTOXLT 1AF HDKCB16H8A01 T
Product of Philippines

Do these two hdds match?

I have tested few times on useless and cheap disk (3,5" and Seagate, Western Digital...) so that would be my first hot attempt of transplantation, so I do not want to screw this up, because I am not even sure by my diagnostic, which I have described in the begging of this message... maybe should be replaced any other component.. (PCB?)


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Jiri


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 17th, 2018, 19:29 
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I can't help, but I'm curious as to how you went with your WD and Seagate transplants. Presumably they were single-platter drives?

As for the PCB, if the drive spins, then it's unlikely to be a PCB fault.

BTW, your laptop is detecting the USB-SATA bridge IC inside the enclosure, not the HDD behind the bridge.

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 17th, 2018, 22:53 
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They are probably compatible, but why transplant the platter? You will probably lose your data for good.

YOU MUST DIAGNOSE THE PROBLEM ACCURATELY FIRST. Otherwise, your recovery is a disaster waiting to happen.

Then you must know your limitations before you try an intervention. If you really need your data!

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 17th, 2018, 23:49 
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I've attached a white paper on best practices. I hope it will be helpful.


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 18th, 2018, 2:26 
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fzabkar wrote:
I can't help, but I'm curious as to how you went with your WD and Seagate transplants. Presumably they were single-platter drives?

As for the PCB, if the drive spins, then it's unlikely to be a PCB fault.


they were two-platter drives, I used the tape method to transfer. And I was surprised also that is it working after having the chance to copy data... Anyway, that was just like test years ago without any valuable data.. just for fun.

fzabkar wrote:
BTW, your laptop is detecting the USB-SATA bridge IC inside the enclosure, not the HDD behind the bridge.


Maybe that is thing I would like to know. Acces through adapter is not that what I need to diagnostic. Would be betteer to take this disk and connect in different PC (to different runnning mother borad) via SATA? Or there is any better how to use adapter?


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 18th, 2018, 2:38 
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jono-ats wrote:
They are probably compatible, but why transplant the platter? You will probably lose your data for good.

YOU MUST DIAGNOSE THE PROBLEM ACCURATELY FIRST. Otherwise, your recovery is a disaster waiting to happen.

Then you must know your limitations before you try an intervention. If you really need your data!


No, I have just some photos from 2 last family trip (1 month ago), otherwise my data are backed up. So, that is really nice-to-have situations not worthing hudreds of $ for profesional lab... (in Czech republic is the normal price - apx. 400 - 500$, if the platter of heads goes wrong). So, that is practice without risk... no worries :)

But, I would appreciate some diagnostic tips, sure! (diag. sw, what to check inside...)

Thank you,
Jiri


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 18th, 2018, 2:46 
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jono-ats wrote:
I've attached a white paper on best practices. I hope it will be helpful.


Great! Thank you for that! I am reading - very useful!

Jiri


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 18th, 2018, 2:52 
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Sedy_DF wrote:
Acces through adapter is not that what I need to diagnostic. Would be betteer to take this disk and connect in different PC (to different runnning mother borad) via SATA?

SATA is the way to go. However, I suspect that your drive will not come ready.

You could try to access the diagnostic port (terminal) and disable ARRE. I don't know if that will stabilise the drive, though.

http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=751

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 18th, 2018, 6:07 
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fzabkar wrote:
Sedy_DF wrote:
Acces through adapter is not that what I need to diagnostic. Would be betteer to take this disk and connect in different PC (to different runnning mother borad) via SATA?

SATA is the way to go. However, I suspect that your drive will not come ready.

You could try to access the diagnostic port (terminal) and disable ARRE. I don't know if that will stabilise the drive, though.

http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=751


What kind of software for doing this? I check the real term 2.0, but for some reasons i am not able to start.. whua..

Thank you for your kind advices,
Jiri


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 18th, 2018, 16:25 
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You may need to wait several minutes for the port to become active. Any terminal software should be OK, eg PuTTY, HyperTerminal.

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
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Terminal connection 9600, N, 8.1 hardware control none and pressing enter. I get ">", and I can communicate.

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 19th, 2018, 6:03 
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Hi,
yeah, I have tried, but i think that a I have still adapter which is useable just for end-users who would like to plug-and-see in This PC (in fact useable just for working hdd)

I have Axagon ADID-70 USB 2.0 - SATA/IDE, but it is still adapter - no diagnostic port or terminal. Let's have a look on device manager on pic attached.
Could you recommend some terminal / diagnostic port? I would like to buy one to try.

I have check something like this, that means that i have to connect PIN correctly, on the other hand that is useable for all HDD manufacturer? (Maxtor, Western Digital, Seagate..?)

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Is this what I need, or any other converter is required?

Thank you,
Jiri


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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 19th, 2018, 16:35 
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USB - TTL RS232 adapter:
http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=192

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 Post subject: Re: Toshiba donor matching
PostPosted: August 24th, 2018, 2:51 
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why to change the heads ?
Try sata connection in linux

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