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 Post subject: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 13:11 
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I am thinking of adding FE to my tools. I already have PC3000 Flash and VNR so have the readers for them both. Are either of the readers and adapters usable with FE. I presume PC3000 is not as they have specific connectors for both reader and adapter, but at $1,000 as set from FE I thought I would ask.

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 13:18 
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No, you need the reader to work with FE. In fact, without the exact reader registered with the software, FE won't even load.

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 13:21 
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lcoughey wrote:
No, you need the reader to work with FE. In fact, without the exact reader registered with the software, FE won't even load.

Thanks Luke. Looks like I am selling my third child.... again...

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 13:58 
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Do you really get that much flash? I barely get anything, maybe I should take business lessons from you.

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
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Do you really get that much flash? I barely get anything, maybe I should take business lessons from you.

Now I know you are joking JB. All you do is flash so you must be snowed under. FE is basically to replace one of the other programs I have. I find it too hard to work with.

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 14:26 
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ddrecovery wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
Do you really get that much flash? I barely get anything, maybe I should take business lessons from you.

Now I know you are joking JB. All you do is flash so you must be snowed under. FE is basically to replace one of the other programs I have. I find it too hard to work with.



Well,
Do you mean VNR ,Even After Training :( .I Too find it very difficult to use

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 14:29 
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Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
ddrecovery wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
Do you really get that much flash? I barely get anything, maybe I should take business lessons from you.

Now I know you are joking JB. All you do is flash so you must be snowed under. FE is basically to replace one of the other programs I have. I find it too hard to work with.

Well,
Do you mean VNR ,Even After Training :( .I Too find it very difficult to use

Yes I do. I really like Sasha and the team but I think you need a certain mindset to use VNR that perhaps I don't have.

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 14:35 
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I have all 3 and I find FE by far the best software, both in terms of power and usability. But often use the VNR and PC3k readers to grind out decent dumps from failing chips, due to the better read-retry features. You can then rename the dumps and use in FE.

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 18th, 2018, 19:52 
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pcimage wrote:
I have all 3 and I find FE by far the best software, both in terms of power and usability. But often use the VNR and PC3k readers to grind out decent dumps from failing chips, due to the better read-retry features. You can then rename the dumps and use in FE.

Exactly my feelings. I would like to get to grips with VNR and I wont be getting rid of it, but I seem to waste so much time getting stuff wrong and asking support for help. It drives me nuts.

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 19th, 2018, 8:20 
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1 tool mean nothing in flash world . more players you have , more good results you get
So , i hate flash work ,

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
PostPosted: September 20th, 2018, 14:07 
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ddrecovery wrote:
pcimage wrote:
I have all 3 and I find FE by far the best software, both in terms of power and usability. But often use the VNR and PC3k readers to grind out decent dumps from failing chips, due to the better read-retry features. You can then rename the dumps and use in FE.

Exactly my feelings. I would like to get to grips with VNR and I wont be getting rid of it, but I seem to waste so much time getting stuff wrong and asking support for help. It drives me nuts.



Well,
i have a very basic issue with VNR that is as following ....

1 : Once you insert chips inside adapter and fix on VNR it should ID and give us selection ,Then we need to choose whatever we think should be selected ,but when ever we ask for help they change those parameters so much that it goes above my head .The same very chip you insert in pc3k press read id id is read read chips its done ,check ecc apply and next job you can do ,

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Extractor Hardware Question
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Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
Well,
i have a very basic issue with VNR that is as following ....

1 : Once you insert chips inside adapter and fix on VNR it should ID and give us selection ,Then we need to choose whatever we think should be selected ,but when ever we ask for help they change those parameters so much that it goes above my head .The same very chip you insert in pc3k press read id id is read read chips its done ,check ecc apply and next job you can do ,

I can see that if you have a deep understanding of flash architecture, VNR must be absolutely fantastic. It is flexible, adaptable and you can do far more than you can with PC3000. But without that knowledge in an world where flash is changing so fast it is hard to keep up. As said previously I am not giving up on VNR I am determined to crack it, but I know it will be a long haul. If you are like me and do HDD, SDD, Flash, RAID and Cellphone recoveries devoting time to learning advanced stuff for VNR is hard. However I see Sasha is holing a class in the US in October for the following which I might attend:-

NAND Bad Columns analysis and removal
Block Management and Translation reconstruction
Page structure layout Analysis
XOR Scrambler and Key Extraction
Analysis of bit errors in NAND and Power Adjustment
Reverse Engineering of Unsupported Devices, ECC Codes, and NAND Memory Config Analysis

I think its a lot of this information will help (or it might confuse me more)....

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