May 11th, 2015, 18:28
May 12th, 2015, 6:11
guru wrote:People are actually dumping sediv logs on WD support site!!
Nuts.......if you ever want to kill data recovery and move it seriously underground this is the way to go.
The never ending amount of "junk ware" and open information that is being produced will cause a shift in manufactures mentality....which has already started BTW.
May 12th, 2015, 9:43
Spildit wrote:Amarbir wrote:Well,
There Are Only 2 Guys to Blame IMHO
Only 2 ?
And do you mind to tell us who those nasty 2 guys are ?
May 12th, 2015, 11:39
May 12th, 2015, 15:07
guru wrote:People are actually dumping sediv logs on WD support site!!
Nuts.......if you ever want to kill data recovery and move it seriously underground this is the way to go.
The never ending amount of "junk ware" and open information that is being produced will cause a shift in manufactures mentality....which has already started BTW.
May 13th, 2015, 10:22
Spildit wrote:Amarbir wrote:Spildit wrote:Amarbir wrote:Well,
There Are Only 2 Guys to Blame IMHO
Only 2 ?
And do you mind to tell us who those nasty 2 guys are ?
Lol,
Me And Guru Haa Haa Haa
Why do I got this feeling that you were talking of me as well ?
If it's so bad for the "industry" that people like do research and publish the vendor secrets then i guess that I should stop helping "pros" like you in particular with things like finding a string of text with hex editor...
I don't see why some pros complain so much about this sort of public revealing of information when they are at the same time gaining something from my posts...
Wouldn't it be unreasonable ?
May 13th, 2015, 10:25
fzabkar wrote:guru wrote:People are actually dumping sediv logs on WD support site!!
Nuts.......if you ever want to kill data recovery and move it seriously underground this is the way to go.
The never ending amount of "junk ware" and open information that is being produced will cause a shift in manufactures mentality....which has already started BTW.
Why do you think that SeDiv is junkware?
BTW, here is thread where PC3000 junkware was unable to do something as simple as dumping on old, well understood 16MB Samsung NAND flash IC (whose datasheet is publicly available):
viewtopic.php?t=31151&p=216296#p216296
May 13th, 2015, 15:05
May 13th, 2015, 15:48
fzabkar wrote:A Volkswagen is not a bad car simply because it is not a Porsche. I can imagine how the toffs in their Bugattis and Daimlers must have felt when they had to share the roads, and the privilege of driving, with the Volk in their Wagens. (@Amarbir: That's not Word Case, BTW. It's actually how Germans spell their nouns.)
ISTM that this thread is really just a disingenuous complaint about tools such as SeDiv which have lowered the price of admission to an exclusive club. I wonder if the OP has actually used this tool. In fact I know of one person who bought HRT, left it unused in its original box for a decade, sold it without having used it, and then still proclaimed its virtues.
In this thread we have a person who proclaims himself to be a data recovery professional, and who has been a forum member for nearly a decade, yet it appears that in the past week he has used a hex editor for the very first time. Amarbir, the hex editor that baffled you is not junk. Please refrain from bashing it. Your inability to locate a text string in a binary file is simply a case of PEBKAC. In fact I see that you've set up another thread to bash MRT Lab. It seems that you're not having much success with your tools.
As for my own junkware rebuttal, your response is typical of a blind Ace Lab fanboy. If your MRT Lab tool failed to read a "jelly bean" memory chip, as it appears that the PC3K tool has failed to do, then you would be setting up yet another thread to bash it. In fact I suspect that the OP in that other thread could probably read his chip with a $10 MacGyver kit from eBay.
May 13th, 2015, 16:16
Spildit wrote:Amarbir wrote:No one can reason with you and spildit .
For the record, you posted this as the 2nd post of the thread :Amarbir wrote:guru wrote:People are actually dumping sediv logs on WD support site!!
Nuts.......if you ever want to kill data recovery and move it seriously underground this is the way to go.
The never ending amount of "junk ware" and open information that is being produced will cause a shift in manufactures mentality....which has already started BTW.
Well,
There Are Only 2 Guys to Blame IMHO
I assumed that you were talking about me, blaming me for posting stuff/research that would "shift in manufactures mentality" and "move data recovery seriously underground".
If that was not the case, i'm sorry, but your post looked like you were somehow "acusing" 2 people of the forum for "sharing" information. That's it.
And if that was indeed the case i don't think that you should be using our help and complaining for the fact that we share knowledge, can you understand that ?
No hard feelings. Just relax and go open some drives.
May 13th, 2015, 17:44
May 14th, 2015, 8:04
Spildit wrote:What i find to be very amusing is that while REAL (competent) data recovery professionals have some "background" and solid ground to discorage D-I-Y fix on dying drives there are "data recovery professionals" that are called that way and want to be part of that group just because they have MRT, PC-3000, whatever + a open business.
While it's BAD for a general user to make some attempts of D-I-Y fix on drives ruining the chances of possible recovery as often demonstrated on this forum, what i found to be ridiculouse is people who open a business without any solid ground at all, and ask clients to send them drives for a fix, when they show again and again that they have way less knowledge then they should. Not only are they compromizing the data on the clients drives but also using the public information and relying on the forums and on the help of people like me to cash in some easy money.
And the funniest of all is when those users still post "oh ... do not do-it-yourself" "send it to someone with experience" !!!
What the hack is going on ?
How to tell what a real pro is and is not ? Got it ?
If someone with lots of money buys medical equipment will they be a doctor even if they don't evne know how to read ? And what moral will have that doctor to advice patients to go to a real doctor "like him" ?
As a matter of fact there are a huge amount of professional data recovery techs here at the forum with open business and recieving hard drives every day that would/will/are doing even worse that i would ever do without a single tool.
All of those years at the forums and experimenting were of use to known my limitations and when i should stop and if it's really possible or not to proceed with a Do-It-Yourself fix, while other people with open stores and data recovery business will have no chance except to gamble with the clients data, and then with very cinical and hypocrite attitude have the gutts to come here bashing people like me that try to help (including themselfs) with big lectures about compromising the future of data recovery and helping to destroy drives from the poor clients that are trying to fix them by their own, while they are leeching the forum for "sollutions" to apply their own and cash in !!!
No further comments to add, it would be unreasonable.
It's that sort of thing that only people that don't want to see will not be able to see ...
May 15th, 2015, 8:04
May 15th, 2015, 15:53
guru wrote:In all fairness the vendor commands and proprietary information is researched by people who spend a lot of time reversing the microcode on these devices. This info is then used to create great tools such as PC3000 and HRT which are purchased by data recovery companies at great cost.
Now, many people are just analysing and copying the codes from these great hardware products and producing "CRAPWARE" which is dumped cheaply on the Internet for anyone to buy. This hurts the original developers....
May 15th, 2015, 17:18
waqas_ali766 wrote:Hello,
Sediv WD and Toshiba is the Best software, no one can compare sediv with other tools,
Sediv also have solution for WD latest firmware Encrypted drives, you can also solve this issue by WDR OR wd marevel
Wait for our data Extractor with Windows 8 support, you will say that Sediv is best then any other software.
Don't say Sediv is junk without using it.
If company lock any thing the many people can find the solution for that.
Regards
Waqas Ali
May 15th, 2015, 17:31
fzabkar wrote:guru wrote:In all fairness the vendor commands and proprietary information is researched by people who spend a lot of time reversing the microcode on these devices. This info is then used to create great tools such as PC3000 and HRT which are purchased by data recovery companies at great cost.
Now, many people are just analysing and copying the codes from these great hardware products and producing "CRAPWARE" which is dumped cheaply on the Internet for anyone to buy. This hurts the original developers....
There was a post where someone (Doomer?) suggested that ALL firmware level data recovery tools were based on stolen or leaked information. Also, ISTR a post where you yourself complained that Ace Lab had ripped off your own company's research.
Someone might question the irony of protecting the IP of hackers aka developers.
May 18th, 2015, 11:49
waqas_ali766 wrote:Hello,
Sediv WD and Toshiba is the Best software, no one can compare sediv with other tools,
Sediv also have solution for WD latest firmware Encrypted drives, you can also solve this issue by WDR OR wd marevel
Wait for our data Extractor with Windows 8 support, you will say that Sediv is best then any other software.
Don't say Sediv is junk without using it.
If company lock any thing the many people can find the solution for that.
Regards
Waqas Ali
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