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 Post subject: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2014, 14:31 
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I'm working on a Kermit family drive wd10eavs-00d7b1. The drive can't read it's SA SPT even after ldr upload. The drive just tries to read SA several times then shuts down.

I've ruled out pcb issues as I've tried three different pcb's. And I've even tried rebuilding ROM from SA, just in case that was corrupted, but same result.

After hotswap I can read all modules and all modules pass check in modules directory. I notice that when I read by ABA head 3 does have issues reading a couple modules, but head 2 reads them all just fine. (and yes I am using the directory of modules from the patient, not donor)

I've attempted smart hotswap by writing all tracks to the donor and powering it on with client pcb, but it acts exactly the same as the patient, just fails to read SA and shuts down.

Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this? Maybe I'm missing something obvious.

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2014, 15:49 
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I would try a head swap. Those are pretty easy for head swaps and pretty forgiving for alignment issues


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2014, 16:08 
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Have you tried altering the head map after loading LDR, and resetting?

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 23rd, 2014, 6:04 
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This guy is a liar he just change his words for only $300 and wasted my time almost 1 hour and he did not give me access of his system after hearing complete formula of this problem. and I were stuck and feel bad :oops: you people better decide here is the chat. I will never forgive him.


[5/22/2014 12:39:23 PM] Muhammad Ali: is it spin down problem?
[5/22/2014 12:39:39 PM] Jared Palmer: yeah
[5/22/2014 12:39:50 PM] Muhammad Ali: how many head?
[5/22/2014 12:39:51 PM] Jared Palmer: but seems to read modules fine after hotswap
[5/22/2014 12:39:54 PM] Jared Palmer: 6 heads
[5/22/2014 12:40:04 PM] Jared Palmer: 2 3 4 5 6 7
[5/22/2014 12:40:05 PM] Jared Palmer: is the map
[5/22/2014 12:40:20 PM] Muhammad Ali: do you have UDMA + DE?
[5/22/2014 12:40:34 PM] Jared Palmer: yeah
[5/22/2014 12:40:50 PM] Jared Palmer: If you can figure this one out it's worth a few $$$
[5/22/2014 12:40:55 PM] Muhammad Ali: is it 2.5 or 3.5 ?
[5/22/2014 12:41:00 PM] Jared Palmer: 3.5
[5/22/2014 12:41:09 PM] Muhammad Ali: ok good i have a formula.
[5/22/2014 12:41:18 PM] Muhammad Ali: i can try it right now.
[5/22/2014 12:41:29 PM] Jared Palmer: sure
[5/22/2014 12:41:34 PM] Jared Palmer: you use teamviewer?
[5/22/2014 12:41:42 PM] Muhammad Ali: prepare hdd with its original PCB.
[5/22/2014 12:41:46 PM] Muhammad Ali: yeah
[5/22/2014 12:41:55 PM] Jared Palmer: what version tv you use?
[5/22/2014 12:42:10 PM] Muhammad Ali: and just back after get some drinks.
[5/22/2014 12:42:12 PM] Muhammad Ali: any
[5/22/2014 12:42:27 PM] Muhammad Ali: just give me ID and pass.
[5/22/2014 12:43:16 PM] Jared Palmer: ok, just give me 5 min
[5/22/2014 12:43:30 PM] Jared Palmer: I'm finishing up one other thing on my pc-3000
[5/22/2014 12:46:02 PM] Jared Palmer: ok, I'm using TV version 8
[5/22/2014 12:46:09 PM] Jared Palmer: ID 292 191 675
[5/22/2014 12:46:14 PM] Jared Palmer: Pass 7030
[5/22/2014 12:46:25 PM] Jared Palmer: drive is connected on channel 0
[5/22/2014 12:46:43 PM] Muhammad Ali: how much you give me for this..
[5/22/2014 12:47:03 PM] Muhammad Ali: and how about the formula i am going to share!
[5/22/2014 12:47:09 PM] Jared Palmer: if it's a quick fix $200 as soon as my customer pays
[5/22/2014 12:47:18 PM] Jared Palmer: if it takes a while more
[5/22/2014 12:47:28 PM] Muhammad Ali: no its not work.
[5/22/2014 12:47:54 PM] Muhammad Ali: minimum $800 400 yours and 400 mine.
[5/22/2014 12:48:08 PM] Jared Palmer: I only quoted the customer $500
[5/22/2014 12:48:20 PM] Jared Palmer: assuming that it's just a SA issue
[5/22/2014 12:48:32 PM] Muhammad Ali: I am going tu share head testing formula.
[5/22/2014 12:48:45 PM] Muhammad Ali: no you are wroge.
[5/22/2014 12:48:52 PM] Muhammad Ali: it is spin down?
[5/22/2014 12:49:12 PM] Jared Palmer: yeah, but even the donor spins down after I copied the tracks over
[5/22/2014 12:49:40 PM] Jared Palmer: had to enter kernel to rewrite the orig donor tracks
[5/22/2014 12:49:40 PM] Muhammad Ali: ok go ahead... i hope to get better relation with you.
[5/22/2014 12:49:57 PM] Muhammad Ali: just back the hdd to its original PCB.
[5/22/2014 12:50:07 PM] Jared Palmer: how about $300
[5/22/2014 12:50:12 PM] Jared Palmer: that sound fair?
[5/22/2014 12:51:13 PM] Muhammad Ali: that's not good at all Jard i am going to share disabling damaged head formula. without head swap
[5/22/2014 12:51:40 PM] Jared Palmer: if you're just talking about changing headmap in RAM I've already tried that
[5/22/2014 12:52:16 PM] Muhammad Ali: so you know it... so what happend?
[5/22/2014 12:52:27 PM] Jared Palmer: same result
[5/22/2014 12:53:03 PM] Muhammad Ali: ok let me see then i have to check on my way
[5/22/2014 12:53:04 PM] Muhammad Ali: ok!
[5/22/2014 12:54:20 PM] Muhammad Ali: ??
[5/22/2014 12:56:26 PM] Muhammad Ali: what happend?? jard..
[5/22/2014 12:56:50 PM] Jared Palmer: hold on, sorry, something came up...
[5/22/2014 12:59:41 PM] Jared Palmer: might have to come back to this another day. I gotta take care of something now, and the customer isn't in a hurry anyway. Just pictures on the drive
[5/22/2014 1:00:41 PM] Muhammad Ali: what you mean?
[5/22/2014 1:00:52 PM] Muhammad Ali: check tommorow?
[5/22/2014 1:01:07 PM] Jared Palmer: probably Monday. I'm not working tomorrow.
[5/22/2014 1:01:29 PM] Muhammad Ali: before 5 min you ready to check..
[5/22/2014 1:02:31 PM] Jared Palmer: really can't. I have to go take care of something.
[5/22/2014 1:03:16 PM] Muhammad Ali: I am not a kid Jard better luck what i have advice... you.!
[5/22/2014 1:17:49 PM] Muhammad Ali: Jard money is no problem but your changing words really hurt i can't believe this.
[5/22/2014 1:18:18 PM] Jared Palmer: I don't think I understand what you're talking about...
[5/22/2014 1:18:42 PM] Jared Palmer: [b]I'm saying that something completely unrelated to this project came up and now I have to deal with that instead.[/b]
[5/22/2014 1:18:56 PM] Jared Palmer: I'll be back to this project later. Probably Monday
[5/22/2014 1:19:33 PM] Muhammad Ali: are you try head map in RAM? speak truth?
[5/22/2014 1:19:39 PM] Jared Palmer: yes
[5/22/2014 1:19:57 PM] Jared Palmer: but I really don't have time to work on this now.. got another emergency on my hands
[5/22/2014 1:21:04 PM] Muhammad Ali: ok jared as you wish..
[5/22/2014 1:21:17 PM] Muhammad Ali: i can't look this case again... if even you say..
[5/22/2014 1:23:15 PM] Muhammad Ali: you get the detection Jared with head map formula!!
[5/22/2014 1:23:18 PM] Muhammad Ali: am i right?
[5/22/2014 1:24:24 PM] Jared Palmer: no, like I said I had already tried that with the same result
[5/22/2014 1:25:06 PM] Jared Palmer: I'm thinking it might be a compound issue. I did notice some corrosion on the PCB, so I'm thinking that perhaps the whole thing got wet and it's more than one issue.
[5/22/2014 1:39:02 PM] Muhammad Ali: i can't believe this..
[5/22/2014 1:39:08 PM] Muhammad Ali: then why you wast my all time..
[5/22/2014 1:39:10 PM] Muhammad Ali: !!!
[5/22/2014 1:39:25 PM] Muhammad Ali: i am just stuck because of you..
[5/22/2014 1:40:29 PM] Jared Palmer: I'm not wasting your time. I asked a question on a forum earlier today which you responded to. And right now I don't have time, I'm busy with another project
[5/22/2014 2:09:37 PM] Muhammad Ali: I'm saying that something completely unrelated to this project came up and now I have to deal with that instead. what that mean Jared?
[5/22/2014 2:15:15 PM] Muhammad Ali: ok Jared i am going but you missed the greate formula what i said is uncomplete..
[5/22/2014 2:15:29 PM] Muhammad Ali: so better keep your words truth
[5/22/2014 2:18:27 PM] Muhammad Ali: now get a block from me.



[quote="data-medics"]I'm working on a Kermit family drive wd10eavs-00d7b1. The drive can't read it's SA SPT even after ldr upload. The drive just tries to read SA several times then shuts down.


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 23rd, 2014, 6:16 
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Data Planet, you shouldn't be messing with drives like that !!!

This is crazy !!!

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 23rd, 2014, 9:32 
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I want to know the Great formula.... the suspense is killing me :)


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 23rd, 2014, 9:58 
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Most likely heads issue.
Try head stack replacement.

I didn't offer myselt to try on teamviewer/pc3k on this case because i think that it's a head issue.

You can try to do the slow issue fix and disable relocation, and clear re-lo and also clear g-list and then clone on reverse with de or build head map in de, but if the head(s) are causing the drive to drop off line this will not help that much.
Also you can play with mod 02 to disable more options that might help with data recovery, like cache, etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 23rd, 2014, 10:10 
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Another thing to try - clear mod 02 on the more "drastic way".

http://malthus.zapto.org/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=848

Then try to image the drive.

If it drops off line replace heads.

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 26th, 2014, 1:02 
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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 26th, 2014, 2:25 
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Hello,
May be jared has an important work to do.
he says that he come back on Monday, then why you get angry (data planet).
be patient, may be he was in problem.

i also want to know the special formula :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 26th, 2014, 5:10 
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Waqas may be you are right but you know that how much busy we are in our work. when he give ID of teamviewer i close my all other work when i ready he just slip his words to don't give me access may be he has emergency now today is Monday if he give me access he were speaking truth.

and my all formula is available for you free... brother.


waqas_ali766 wrote:
Hello,
May be jared has an important work to do.
he says that he come back on Monday, then why you get angry (data planet).
be patient, may be he was in problem.

i also want to know the special formula :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 26th, 2014, 12:35 
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Update

I finally solved this one, (no thanks to dataplanet - that guy is crazy!) I think his "secret technique" was just to change headmap in RAM, which duh, I already tried that. And after seeing how crazy he is, I'm not ever giving him remote access.

Turned out it was a compound issue. I swapped heads and PCB, then rechecked modules. This time it came up with two bad modules which I replaced with donors. Drive is imaging away as we speak.

Note to Muhammad Ali: I was gonna send you a few bucks for your "wasted time" that you spent harassing me on Skype just to keep things civil, but after you're posting our conversation, you can take a hike.

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 26th, 2014, 12:54 
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data-medics wrote:
Update

I finally solved this one, (no thanks to dataplanet - that guy is crazy!) I think his "secret technique" was just to change headmap in RAM, which duh, I already tried that. And after seeing how crazy he is, I'm not ever giving him remote access.

Turned out it was a compound issue. I swapped heads and PCB, then rechecked modules. This time it came up with two bad modules which I replaced with donors. Drive is imaging away as we speak.

Note to Muhammad Ali: I was gonna send you a few bucks for your "wasted time" that you spent harassing me on Skype just to keep things civil, but after you're posting our conversation, you can take a hike.


Agree, the guy is an imbecil and a scammer looking for easy money.

Glad you sorted this out !

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
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Wahoo magically you got the solution even you stuck since last 10 days. My instruction really help you now I give you detail which two module is bad this must be smart modules 0021 & 0023 I have long experience is Kermit... what a big lie you present.

My thinking were 100% right.

All DR engineer know about this.

Now compound few bucks to charity with heads and PCB swap. :lol:

data-medics wrote:
Update

I finally solved this one, (no thanks to dataplanet - that guy is crazy!) I think his "secret technique" was just to change headmap in RAM, which duh, I already tried that. And after seeing how crazy he is, I'm not ever giving him remote access.

Turned out it was a compound issue. I swapped heads and PCB, then rechecked modules. This time it came up with two bad modules which I replaced with donors. Drive is imaging away as we speak.

Note to Muhammad Ali: I was gonna send you a few bucks for your "wasted time" that you spent harassing me on Skype just to keep things civil, but after you're posting our conversation, you can take a hike.


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 26th, 2014, 20:12 
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DataPlanet wrote:
All DR engineer know about this.


we reguarly see "DR Engineers doing bone headed things, making mistakes, and not knowing things that maybe they should know. No different than any other industry, we are all human.
One big mistake is trying to assume what another person knows. Another is not listening when someone offers advice or perspective.

We cant know something until we learn it, so it is better to focus on someones question, not go off wildly trying to read into it and make all kinds of assumptions.

ASSUME = making an ASS out of U & ME

Do you really think you know what "ALL DR Engineers" know?


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: May 29th, 2014, 13:46 
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DataPlanet wrote:
Wahoo magically you got the solution even you stuck since last 10 days. My instruction really help you now I give you detail which two module is bad this must be smart modules 0021 & 0023 I have long experience is Kermit... what a big lie you present.

My thinking were 100% right.

All DR engineer know about this.

Now compound few bucks to charity with heads and PCB swap. :lol:


Your instruction???? You didn't tell me anything remotely useful. You talked about your "secret technique", spent a half hour trying to talk me up on the price, then spent the next two hours harassing my Skype account after I told you I was too busy to work on it.

I did this without any help from you, and it wasn't something you could've done remotely anyway.

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HaQue wrote:
ASSUME = making an ASS out of U & ME


I wonder what he's gonna think about this post after he tries to Google translate it. LOL!

He'll probably think it's something racist.

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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
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data-medics wrote:
HaQue wrote:
ASSUME = making an ASS out of U & ME


I wonder what he's gonna think about this post after he tries to Google translate it. LOL!

He'll probably think it's something racist.


Or that you are saying bad stuff about his country .....

I'm just NOT HAPPY at all that i end up banned from the HDDGuru forum because of that guy.

To be honest i just hope that he returns soon here and start to mess up drives BIG TIME. After all i guess that i did wrong in going against that guy. I should had let him alone to do whatever he wanted.

Well, at any rate i'm glad you have the data back. Regards !


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 Post subject: Re: Issues with Kermit SA
PostPosted: June 6th, 2014, 16:55 
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Money and work is no problem for anyone now a days but words and commitment is more important then anything in the business. keep your word right to establish the trust otherwise everyone got some doubt. anyways this is good you got the solution... and be happy. :)

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DataPlanet wrote:
Wahoo magically you got the solution even you stuck since last 10 days. My instruction really help you now I give you detail which two module is bad this must be smart modules 0021 & 0023 I have long experience is Kermit... what a big lie you present.

My thinking were 100% right.

All DR engineer know about this.

Now compound few bucks to charity with heads and PCB swap. :lol:


Your instruction???? You didn't tell me anything remotely useful. You talked about your "secret technique", spent a half hour trying to talk me up on the price, then spent the next two hours harassing my Skype account after I told you I was too busy to work on it.

I did this without any help from you, and it wasn't something you could've done remotely anyway.


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