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Arik.Gart
 Post subject: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 13th, 2016, 5:09 
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Hello,

We got a case with Kingston SV300S37A/240G, when i checked it on PC3K i can see the SSD is shorting. unfortunately, the controller is SANDFORCE CL13824Z.

In theory, If i get a donor with the same controller and PCB, and i'll solder all memory chips to the donor PCB with same controller, what are the chances that would work?

Does anyone came a cross with this issue?

Thanks!
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fzabkar
 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 13th, 2016, 12:20 
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In practice, it would make more sense to invest in a US$5 multimeter and locate the cause of the short.

If this is your board ...

https://www.insidegadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_3020.jpg
https://www.insidegadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_3022.jpg

... then check the e-fuse ("35" marking) near the SATA power connector. This part can be removed and bridged with a wire or a picofuse. If the PCB has additional problems, then your PC3K board should provide the current limiting.

PCB protection devices - Electronic Fuse:
http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=1615&p=8872

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Arik.Gart
 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 15th, 2016, 9:46 
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Hi fzabkar,
Thanks for the tip,

So i bridged with a wire, http://imgur.com/a/SOvJA
But still - the SSD don't get power. and same like before, on PC3K i have no led indicator on.
What i can do next?

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fzabkar
 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 15th, 2016, 13:57 
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You have not addressed the cause of the short.

When you check the e-fuse, measure the resistances between 5Vin & Ground, 5Vin & 5Vout, and 5Vout & Ground. If the e-fuse is responsible for the short, then remove it. Otherwise, if the short is between 5Vout and Ground, and if the e-fuse is OK, then we need to do more investigating. Specifically, I would measure the resistance between ground and each of the coils.

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                       bridge
                .----o       o---.
                |                |
                |                |
     SATA +5V   |  .-----------. |
                |  |           | |
        5Vin o--+--|           --+--o 5Vout
                   | 5V e-fuse |
                   |           |
                   '-----|-----'
                         |
                         |
                         |
                         |
                        ===
                        GND

                    SATA Ground

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Arik.Gart
 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 18th, 2016, 14:26 
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Well, apparently i can not edit the first post.
Here are both sides of the PCB: http://imgur.com/a/qUsIg

Thanks dear friend.
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fzabkar
 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 18th, 2016, 16:31 
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I would measure the resistance of each capacitor. Also measure the resistance from each coil to ground, and measure the resistance between ground and each of 5Vin and 5Vout. Use the 200 ohms range of your meter.


APW8804, Anpec, 3A, 1MHz. 2.6V - 6V input, 0.6V - 6V out, Synchronous Buck Converter, SOP-8P:
http://www.anpec.com.tw/ashx_prod_file.ashx?prod_id=687&file_path=20131024191901739.pdf&original_name=APW8804.pdf
http://fa.itservice-bg.net/baza/dc_dc/data/APW8804.pdf

AP3422, BCD Semiconductor, Dual 1.1MHz, 800mA Synchronous DC-DC Buck Converter, 2.5V - 5.5V in, marking BDC, DFN-3×3-10:
http://www.bdtic.com/datasheet/diodes/AP3422.pdf

MP6400DJ-01, adjustable Programmable-Delay Supervisory Circuit, marking 4Bxx, TSOT23-6:
http://www.monolithicpower.com/desktopm ... nt?id=1003

LM73, Texas Instruments, 2.7V, SOT-23, 11-14Bit Dig Temp Sensor w/ 2-Wire Interface, marking T730:
http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/lm73

NIS5135, ON Semiconductor, 5V Electronic Fuse, marking 35:
https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NIS5135-D.PDF


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Arik.Gart
 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 19th, 2016, 8:11 
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Thank a lot for your time and effort you've done on this amazing post! that was really helping!
I'm truly appreciate it dear friend.
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fzabkar
 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: December 19th, 2016, 17:23 
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This is essentially the power supply layout of your PCB:

Code:
                        bridge
                 .----o       o---.
                 |                |
                 |                |
      SATA +5V   |  .-----------. |  5Vout               coil    Vout1
                 |  |           | |         .-------.    ___
         5Vin o--+--|           --+--oo--+--| Reg1  |----UUU---+--oo---.
                    | 5V e-fuse |        |  '-------'          |       |
                    |           |        |                    ---     .-.
                    '-----|-----'        |  .-------.         ---     | |  load
                          |              +--| Reg2  |- Vout2   |cap   | |  (MCU
                          |              |  '-------'          |      '-'  SDRAM
                          |              |                     |       |   NAND)
                          |              |  .-------.          '---+---'
                         ===             +--| Reg3  |- Vout3       |
                         GND             |  '-------'             ===
                                         |                        GND
                     SATA Ground         |  .-------.
                                         '--| Reg4  |- Vout4
                                            '-------'

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 Post subject: Re: Kingston 240GB shorting problem and theory idea
PostPosted: July 13th, 2017, 19:31 
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i have Kingston 240GB cl13824z won't detect with PC plz help ?

yesterday we have power issue in our store after that SSD stop working i want to recover my data

cl13824z controller ic getting warm but no short in v in and v out

any idea what could be
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