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 Post subject: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: January 22nd, 2018, 22:32 
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Hello, we have a Startup Data recovery Center India and looking for a Media and Head tools, Can you Please suggest me a List of tools which are required for Head Replacement as we are in an initial stage. Thanks and will wait for your reply


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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2018, 6:34 
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https://apextoollab.com/
affordable and good


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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2018, 9:21 
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I'll add +1 to that.

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2018, 15:04 
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At the moment i don't do clean room work but if you are looking for alternatives to apextoollab here you have some more links :

http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=1223

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2018, 21:20 
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Thank you all for your suggestions.


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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 18th, 2018, 15:00 
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Thank you Spildit!!!!! very good link


how you compare apextools with hddurgery


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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 19th, 2018, 10:54 
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jermy wrote:
https://apextoollab.com/
affordable and good

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 20th, 2018, 21:28 
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I just ordered some tools from apex they provide with very good customer service

Good Tools
good price
good customer service.


HDD Surgery

Good tool
expensive


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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 27th, 2018, 17:50 
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Paulfromsurrey wrote:
Thank you Spildit!!!!! very good link


how you compare apextools with hddurgery


Well,
What comparison are you talking about here .No comparison ,I think its time i make a comprehensive video on youtube on this matter

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 27th, 2018, 18:37 
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Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
(...)I think its time i make a comprehensive video on youtube on this matter


GREAT !!! I do love your videos !

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 28th, 2018, 15:51 
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Spildit wrote:
Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
(...)I think its time i make a comprehensive video on youtube on this matter


GREAT !!! I do love your videos !


Well,
You hate them man do not bother ,For Me You Do not exist .I just replied to this cos you choose to reply .Forget it you are a firmware man not a physical guy so take a hike sometimes lolz and relieve the stress .Do you even have the slightest idea why the E tools from er-tools and apextoollab are crap ,I suppose not :mrgreen: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 28th, 2018, 16:45 
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Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
Spildit wrote:
Amarbir[CDR-Labs] wrote:
(...)I think its time i make a comprehensive video on youtube on this matter


GREAT !!! I do love your videos !


Well,
You hate them man do not bother ,For Me You Do not exist .I just replied to this cos you choose to reply .Forget it you are a firmware man not a physical guy so take a hike sometimes lolz and relieve the stress .Do you even have the slightest idea why the E tools from er-tools and apextoollab are crap ,I suppose not :mrgreen: :lol:


How rude. I'm gonna cry.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 28th, 2018, 19:11 
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[quote="Amarbir[CDR-Labs]Do you even have the slightest idea why the E tools from er-tools and apextoollab are crap ,I suppose not :mrgreen: :lol:[/quote]
I have used tools with success from all three manufacturers. None let me down.
So, why in your opinion? I am sure many people would want to know based on real work feedback.

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 29th, 2018, 7:11 
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what is the dot 0 on so called E-type tool? What is the starting point from witch tool gets its position in the drive it self?

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 29th, 2018, 7:32 
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There isn't one as it is a free moving tool. Therefore implying the risk of screw up. True.

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 30th, 2018, 12:16 
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labtech wrote:
There isn't one as it is a free moving tool. Therefore implying the risk of screw up. True.



Hello ,
You Do Not Have a Idea On This ,So Gimme Some Time i Will Explain This .Nikola Sir Let Me Handle This i will show it to these guys why its a pile of crap .Just gimme a few days ,Labtech brother chill i need time to show you plus i will refer to what helpdisc "hddsurgery " is trying to explain you you will surely get it .

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: June 30th, 2018, 18:07 
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I am good. I really don't care, I know what I am doing. So no need to make videos for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: July 1st, 2018, 11:56 
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labtech wrote:
I am good. I really don't care, I know what I am doing. So no need to make videos for me.



Well,
Then take a befitting reply " We really feel pity that you do not even have the slightest idea what nikola sir and i wanted to explain you " . Secondly i have ER-tools and Apextoollab Tools In E Type i really know what i am saying .But like you i do not care if you will check the video or not but i am making a few for others who atlast will understand what i am and nikola sir are trying to explain .We are giving a rational explanation to a mechanical issue the tools has . If you talk about Rampset tools of apexlabtools i really do not have much of a issue ,But i like hddsurgery engineering better and i love to give credit to the guy who made the first tool in the world in that design and it was not a copy of any other company in the world .I have respect immense respect for pioneers like this .Being in a country were we are underpaid for jobs that you people take a fortune for i still have the courage to buy the hddsurgery tools .Nikola sir has been more then helpful to me in many instances .When Tools are made they need to be tested .Day before yesterday i worked on a Denali 2.5" HDD for a headswap .I had Three ways to do it ,Use a Heatshrink Cable that my friend erkin from hdd recovery services canada had send to me all the way from canada ,Use ER-Tools or a Sample ramps tool That Apexlabtool Had Sent Me .I Choose not to use the first method due to my eyesight .I decided to use ER-Tools These ramps tools are oversized and will not slide into the headstack if indeed i use force it will slide in but they expand the front side of the headstack so much that if they are still inside the ramp the front HSA needle will bent "Talk About Engineering " . If indeed the tool was designed properly it should work understand man .Then Coming To the design on apexlabtool .This is a metal rampset tool ,The design is that once the tool in CNCed a cut is made in the front side and the tool is bent into a 90 degree angle so that tool is ready to be used ,Problem is that some of the time the cut and the bent are not perfect leading to a Rampset tool that curves the upwards and lifts the HSA upwards leading to issues ,You wanna see it live i got 4 samples from apextoollab and three of them have the same issue .I am not here to get free samples and give positive reviews just to be in the good eyes of the manufacturer and engrave my name in the website of the manufacturer .My name is Amarbir "The most verbal guy in the world when it comes to review of a product describing its pros and cons " .Another thing i would like to put across to everyone reading this comment of mine .There is something called repeatability of making a perfect tool everytime ,If the tool varied in manufacturing from person to person then its a pity

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: July 1st, 2018, 12:34 
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Yes, true, hddsurgery has:
-likely invested the most in developing tools
-has been consistently producing the highest quality head swap tools
-great just about "idiot proof" design
-because of high quality product, deservingly to charge the highest (from a business perspective such a manufacturer, in any industry for matter, kind has to charge high, as then the business would not be profitable).

With all that in mind, no head replacement tool is perfect to all people working with it. Any one person can find something they don't like about a tool, whether it is material, design, the actual process of working with it, necessary accessories, etc. Cannot please everyone. Not everybody likes Hyundai, Kia or Mercedes or Ferrari.

When it comes to head swap tools, regarding design & cost, it seems to me that people are too opinionated. Too much complaining. These are the tools and prices available on the market. That's it. Who does not like it, should make their own. Then can appreciate better what is what in the effort of doing so.

Same with various markets in the world and pricing. Everybody is running businesses, at different costs, different taxation, other expenses, various size companies, marketing, and so on. Too many opinions, complaining, pointing fingers, discrediting, etc. No need. Focusing on the work is best. If want to help as well, then great.

Anything else is distasteful and hurting the community & industry.

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 Post subject: Re: Head replacement tools
PostPosted: July 2nd, 2018, 2:56 
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labtech wrote:

With all that in mind, no head replacement tool is perfect to all people working with it. Any one person can find something they don't like about a tool, whether it is material, design, the actual process of working with it, necessary accessories, etc. Cannot please everyone. Not everybody likes Hyundai, Kia or Mercedes or Ferrari.
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I would concentrate only on technical aspect. It is not about if I like Kia or Hyundai.
This type of tools ( so called E type ) have serious flaws. First one is that they have fundamental problem.
Basing height on mold is wrong. Cast parts ( hdd housing ) dimensions variations are to big. You put tool down and slide over it and then hope you are with in tolerance.
Even on videos they show you see how dangerous it is. For me this is to much of a risk. ( I know this , first tool we made was like this 15 years ago )
If you want to have something precise as a tool to remove heads you must base it on something that has been milled. This can be used as ground 0. All dimensions are measured from one point.
Referent point. Platters and heads stand in precise location, housing can "float" around them. Open one drive and spin platters you will see how platters have azimuth. They "float" if you look and compare to hdd chassis. But if compared to heads they spin just fine

Second is tip of the tool, totally wrong design. You can not slid under heads with triangular design. You must use tangential radius to lift them gentle.
Third problem is balance. If you menage to slide them and get them in nice there is no firm grip that keeps position of heads and tools. Instead of you have one big leaver that can be potential hazard
if moved a bit or just touched a bit or hit in hdd chassis .

There is few more but this should be good enough.

My idea was not to explain how our tools are good and others are bad. I am saying what i see wrong in design of these tools.
They took names , labels , composition supported model list etc etc... but tool is not good enough in my data recovery office. Our clients took to much off a risk when they did not make a backup,
i do not want to risk more of making their drives bad by bad tool. It would be safer to use papers or rubbers hoses then such bad tool design.
Even copy of our tools are better to be used then this particular type.

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