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 Post subject: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 5th, 2018, 14:27 
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May seem like a dumb question, but is it possible to read a PCIe SSD through a SATA connection. I have a Lenovo SSD that gets extremely hot when powered on, but does ID after being 'cooled' for a while but soon bugs out again. I would ideally like to cool the SSD constantly for about 30 mins while we try to get the data off, but in the PCIe slot it is pretty much impossible.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 5th, 2018, 14:52 
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Yo can not connect pcie to sata but you can connect this drive to compatybile motherboard in decktop PC over the socket for the pcie drive. You can also buy pcie card for pcie drive on ebay that you can instal in desktop PC if ther is no special port. If the drive is nvme modrboard must support this.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 5th, 2018, 14:56 
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Which parts get hot? Perhaps one of the onboard power supplies is out of spec. That would be the first thing to check.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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Yo can not connect pcie to sata but you can connect this drive to compatybile motherboard in decktop PC over the socket for the pcie drive. You can also buy pcie card for pcie drive on ebay that you can instal in desktop PC if ther is no special port. If the drive is nvme modrboard must support this.

Mounting to the motherboard is not an issue, its cooling while in the PCIe slot which is the issue.

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Which parts get hot? Perhaps one of the onboard power supplies is out of spec. That would be the first thing to check.

Very hard to define as PCIe adapters mount the SSD under the PCIe card. However I do know its around the controller. I can't use freeze spray to determine exactly where the hot spot starts as you cant unmount the SSD without turning off the computer, by which time the whole board is hot.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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ISTM that the ideal solution would be to find an adapter cable to replace the adapter card, but my searching turned up nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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ISTM that the ideal solution would be to find an adapter cable to replace the adapter card, but my searching turned up nothing.

Indeed, hence asking if there was another way of mounting it. Thanks for looking.

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Are those not M.2? Please upload a pic

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mr_spokk wrote:
Are those not M.2? Please upload a pic

Yes M.2 form and PCIe.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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mr_spokk wrote:
Are those not M.2? Please upload a pic

M.2 format identification:
http://www.hddoracle.com/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=2506

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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mr_spokk wrote:
Are those not M.2? Please upload a pic

Yes M.2 form and PCIe.

Then there must be a data adapter for it, model number or pic would help.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 7th, 2018, 10:29 
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I am searching the same, here is the picture.


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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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Put it to the pc moderboard and the motherboard and hdd to the freezer. Some aditional fan can help. -30C should help.

P.s. Look at the capacitors . Maybe one is at the and of life

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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This might is what you look for:
https://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-IU2-M21 ... B01HR0PKJQ


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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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It is not sata converter but looks similar

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 7th, 2018, 17:13 
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mr_spokk wrote:
This might is what you look for:

Then what?

http://www.ssdformfactor.org/docs/SSD_Form_Factor_Version1_00.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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It does.not convert pcie signals to sata in mine opinion. It is just socket transformation. I do not see any processor on the board that could transform the pcie signals to sata. For 30 usd it is like msata or m.2 sata to standard sata converter. This one is just another aplication to cinnect pcie hdd to this socket. I think the sata and pcie signals are separated.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 7th, 2018, 18:07 
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Look at all pictures on amazon. They wrote it is not compatible with sata

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 7th, 2018, 19:25 
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What if one were to do this:

    purchase an "Ableconn IU2-M2132 M.2 NVMe SSD to U.2 (SFF-8639) 2.5-Inch SSD Adapter"
    cut off the adapter's connector and electronics with a hacksaw
    plug an "Ableconn PEXU2.131" adapter card into the motherboard's PCIe slot
    attach an SFF-8643 to U.2 cable between the two adapters

Ableconn IU2-M2132 M.2 NVMe SSD to U.2 (SFF-8639) 2.5-Inch SSD Adapter:
http://ableconn.com/products_2.php?gid=94

Ableconn PEXU2-131 PCI Express 3.0 x4 Host Adapter Card with miniSAS HD for U.2 PCIe-NVMe SSD:
http://ableconn.com/products_2.php?gid=71

SFF-8643 PCIe 4X adapter - Addonics:
https://www.addonics.com/datasheets/files/datasheet%20-%20ADSF8643PX4.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
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fzabkar wrote:
What if one were to do this:

    cut off the adapter's connector and electronics with a hacksaw

Perhaps it might be better to cut a rectangular hole in the adapter?

Assuming there is no underlying power problem, one could attach heatsinks to the heat affected components using thermal tape.

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 Post subject: Re: PCIe SSD to SATA Question
PostPosted: October 8th, 2018, 4:57 
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COD wrote:
It is not sata converter but looks similar


COD wrote:
It does.not convert pcie signals to sata in mine opinion. It is just socket transformation. I do not see any processor on the board that could transform the pcie signals to sata. For 30 usd it is like msata or m.2 sata to standard sata converter. This one is just another aplication to cinnect pcie hdd to this socket. I think the sata and pcie signals are separated.


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mr_spokk wrote:
This might is what you look for:

Then what?

http://www.ssdformfactor.org/docs/SSD_Form_Factor_Version1_00.pdf



No, but the OP was also looking for something that were outside the box for better cooling opportunities.
But you can continue with hacksaw and cutting :wink:

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