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 Post subject: DIY: What's the big deal - discussion
PostPosted: July 5th, 2009, 14:02 
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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 5th, 2009, 16:48 
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Good post Dmitry. To the point.

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 5th, 2009, 18:40 
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Great post Dmitry :)

Is there any way new board members can be "forced" to read this during the signup process? Maybe you can add a quiz at the end to make sure they did read it!! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 5th, 2009, 20:57 
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Yeah I agree with those FAQs.


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 5th, 2009, 21:17 
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Thanks Dmitry for spen your time to this post.

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 3:55 
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There is one group of board members which is missed in your post - the guys doing HDD repair, not Data Recovery. I belong to this group and I'm fully aware how important could be a bit of information sent by a friend from this forum. Repairing a drive could bring me 10 - 20 $, so I cannot aford expensive tools like PC3000 UDMA, etc. MHDD is doing great job in most of the cases. MHDD script engine can do almost everything PC3000 can do if some information is abailable. Information we are searching in this forum.
We don't compete each other and we don't keep our "secrets" for ourselves.


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 4:17 
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BGman, Why would you bother to run a 'hdd repair' business? It's so cheap to buy a new hard disk. Is there really customer demand for hdd repair?


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 4:45 
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zed wrote:
BGman, Why would you bother to run a 'hdd repair' business? It's so cheap to buy a new hard disk. Is there really customer demand for hdd repair?


There are rich countries and poor countries ....
Since it's so cheap to buy a new hard disk it's so easy to dump a good one ( with a few phantom bad sectors for example)... :lol:
And it is not a 'hdd repair' business. It is just hobby bringing me some money from time to time.
Don't forget the chalenge to revive a "dead" drive...


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 5:48 
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The post from Dmitry gets to the points, but its one post, which disappeares after a while and we will see same requests, begging and arguing in a short time again and again.

The hobbyists wont care - their intention is to collect knowledge wherever possible.
The endusers with a pending DR case still under shock of either losing ther data or need to spend a big amount of money. They dont care about the information at registering to this forum - they just register as quick as possible - to find a solution - for free ....

Perhaps the information at registering is too much (should have thaught about that) and it should
be reduced somehow.


A suggestion:


Dear new member!

This forum is NOT MENT AS "Q and A" FORUM for hobbyists or endusers asking the pros.

For hobbyists and endusers:

1. YOU MAY NOT EXPECT any information here to repair your harddisk yourself.

2. We usually suggest to contact a local DR specialist. You might choose one out of this forum.

3. If you cannot afford to pay a DR now, then put the drive on a save place and put money aside for later.

4. Please - if the data has no value at all, then buy a new harddisk and dont waste anyone elses time here!


For your data safety:

* any manipulation on the harddisk could hinder a data retrieval or could increase the retrieval costs enormously.
* DO NOT START ANY SOFTWARE
* DO NOT CONNECT / START YOUR HARD DISK
* DO NOT OPEN YOUR HARD DISK


Please note that you will need to enter a valid e-mail address before your account is activated. You will receive an e-mail at the address you provide that contains an account activation link.

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Perhaps a little bit better - if it will be read .... IF
But if Dmitry will replace the old one with this text above - we could allways put a link
to it - when we see a new request - from someone who didnt read it at registering.

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 9:16 
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As long as people believe there is no money in repair I will be in a very nice job :lol:

zed wrote:
BGman, Why would you bother to run a 'hdd repair' business? It's so cheap to buy a new hard disk. Is there really customer demand for hdd repair?

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 16:06 
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Hi Friends,
Really very healthy discussion,as many times the client is at right way and we just ignore and unswer as we dont want to loose our pockets but friends they guide us as per this Forum or as per my own experience, end users guide us and we go as per our experience ...and win with our own experience so to share somethimg is not bad ..
I just share my experience as thats the time of not data recovery world as the computers are very lesser or the time of ST225 hard drive some of EDP manager ask me to replace the hard drive or try to repair as back up is with him at tape drives (as he is very much learned person) so he just say i use DEBUG command but i am not succesfful and say i use debug -g=c800 , 5 (after that i learn dos base things and find some more great things)
but friends thats the diffrence in this command -g=c800:5 as some thing as per your experience or some command is destroy the hard drive ..or as some thing as per the experience and i earned from this command more than enough after that ,st 351 with numerious cards, st 3290 and having some slight diffrence with adaptec /cirus logic ic ..sorry friends i am back with my 1990s...
But i more learned with end users as they are the keen observers(as many end users are close to the answers but not experinced) of the hard drive including some more experience about there own problem and we have to rectify in that way with having much more experiece ..but i will work as a volintier of this forum as per best of my knowledgebase ..so to share the knowledge is not bad ..
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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 19:29 
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Nice post. I'd fit in the hobbyist category; I just have a fascination with how things work, in general. For hard drives, I've seen a lot in the course of fixing computers, and of course want to make my customers happy; coming here has helped me with some ignorance, for example (that I did not know that hard drive regen was bad before!).

It really annoys me when people hoard information like it's some special golden goose. With data recovery, it's not just knowledge people pay for, but the expertise to properly use that knowledge. I think the people that are worried about their 'tricks' getting out our the ones who probably have no expertise anyway; take away their PC3000 and where will they be?

Anyway, I usually just lurk here, because I don't usually find myself with anything to contribute (the one post I did was more of a 'this works, wow!') and don't want to annoy the folks with real knowledge with all my inane questions. I figure eventually I'll learn if I'm patient enough! :-)


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 6th, 2009, 21:48 
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greyshores wrote:
I think the people that are worried about their 'tricks' getting out our the ones who probably have no expertise anyway


I think the big misconception is that "tricks" exist. By and large there are no "tricks", there are well-thought out and documented solutions to specific problems. First requirement is successful diagnosis. This (largely) cannot be performed over the internet. For some reason, though, a lot of people seem to think that all DR really is is putting hard drives in the freezer or hitting it with a hammer or some other kind of "trick" that would be simple for a complete newbie to perform if only the evil old-timers would tell him how to do it.

Also, I would recommend closing this topic so that it stays informative and does not become a 15-page long discussion / argument.

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 7th, 2009, 10:30 
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drccsc wrote:
greyshores wrote:
I think the people that are worried about their 'tricks' getting out our the ones who probably have no expertise anyway


I think the big misconception is that "tricks" exist. By and large there are no "tricks", there are well-thought out and documented solutions to specific problems. First requirement is successful diagnosis. This (largely) cannot be performed over the internet. For some reason, though, a lot of people seem to think that all DR really is is putting hard drives in the freezer or hitting it with a hammer or some other kind of "trick" that would be simple for a complete newbie to perform if only the evil old-timers would tell him how to do it.

Also, I would recommend closing this topic so that it stays informative and does not become a 15-page long discussion / argument.


I agree with both comments by drccsc...we don't use "tricks" and this discussion should be closed off. Perhaps clean up the original post, delete the comments and make it a sticky forum wide sticky.

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 7th, 2009, 14:51 
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Hi friends,
As the orignal post is not sticy but very much informative as per the INFORMATION TECHNOLGY as thats the first step to enter at this field as i am very much supportive with to share with our knowlegebase and some of the points are very good regarding diffreance with firmware and physical problem about the clicking noise ,so we are not here to distribute the knowledge over here or to hide the things....so please think ...and share your knowledgebase as thats not harmful for this data recovery industry..or please definetly FEAR with the client /this FORUM if the knowledgebase/investment/your experience /collection of the hard drive /donor parts /good tools is equilent with the client...
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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 7th, 2009, 18:08 
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withyou wrote:
Hi friends,
As the orignal post is not sticy but very much informative as per the INFORMATION TECHNOLGY as thats the first step to enter at this field as i am very much supportive with to share with our knowlegebase and some of the points are very good regarding diffreance with firmware and physical problem about the clicking noise ,so we are not here to distribute the knowledge over here or to hide the things....so please think ...and share your knowledgebase as thats not harmful for this data recovery industry..or please definetly FEAR with the client /this FORUM if the knowledgebase/investment/your experience /collection of the hard drive /donor parts /good tools is equilent with the client...
Always with you



withyou, what you do for living ? what have you to share ?

As you know a lot of people here work on this field DR, and they have learn and "share" with others users.

I remenber one post from a "hdd guru" that he understand very well that is not easy to share some info that you take a lot off time investing and try to make it work.

But if you have some info and you want to share...

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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal?
PostPosted: July 10th, 2009, 5:35 
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drccsc wrote:
I think the big misconception is that "tricks" exist. By and large there are no "tricks", there are well-thought out and documented solutions to specific problems. First Also, I


With great respect, but I disagree.

I wasn't necessarily talking about data recovery. For example, I consider it a trick that you can, without buying any piece of equipment, simply use MHDD and reset the password on a hard drive. I think that is awesome; but what else would you call it than a trick? What of the 'trick' with the Seagate 7200.11s? Schematics and howtos are online, and yet some charge still around $400 now for it?

Perhaps I'm confused. I have seen many here act like it's an exclusive club, and like they don't want to share their ball. That's okay. That sort of attitude eventually finds people like that playing by themselves.

I find it funny some people get so threatened by n00bs who want just to learn. After all, perhaps some day they can contribute, give back?

This isn't directed at drccsc, I got off tangent. But my point is that there certainly seem to me to be 'tricks' as such. At least, one isn't absolutely required, on a hobbyist level, to go and spend the money for a SalvationData hardware or whatever.

So, me, I still consider it a trick that I can hook up a hardware and access a special area I'm not supposed to, even if in the grand scheme of things and especially data recovery it means nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal - discussion
PostPosted: July 10th, 2009, 5:47 
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I think drccsc is right, maybe you right as well.

Trick

Code:
1. An act or procedure intended to achieve an end by deceptive or fraudulent means.
2. A mischievous action; a prank.
3. A stupid, disgraceful, or childish act or performance.
4. A peculiar trait or characteristic; a mannerism: “Mimicry is the trick by which a moth or other defenseless insect comes to look like a wasp” (Marston Bates).
5. A peculiar event with unexpected, often deceptive results: “One of history's cruelest tricks is to take words that sounded good at the time and make them sound pretty stupid” (David Owen).
6. A deceptive or illusive appearance; an illusion: a trick of sunlight.
7. A special skill; a knack: Is there a trick to getting this window to stay up?
8. A convention or specialized skill peculiar to a particular field of activity: learned the tricks of the winemaking trade.
9. A feat of magic or legerdemain.
a. A difficult, dexterous, or clever act designed to amuse.
b. A period or turn of duty, as at the helm of a ship.
c. Slang. A prison term.
d. Slang. An act of prostitution. A prostitute's customer.
e. A session carried out by a prostitute with a client.
f. Slang. A robbery or theft.


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal - discussion
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Haha, derp, you're great!

I mean definitions 7, 8, and (a). When I fixed computers, I'd mean 'd' ha!

I guess I could have said 'a method'. My big point that I can't seem to make right is that just knowledge itself is enough to get started to learn about hard drives, without requiring someone spend a whole bunch of money on special hardware. Yes, if you're a 'real' profressional you'd have all that stuff, but until then, instead of trick, I'll say, that there's 'methods' you can use to go a bit deeper in hard drives than is 'normal' in daily operation.

Certainly I'm a barbarian but I'm no where near those bejeweled gates of the pros!


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 Post subject: Re: DIY: What's the big deal - discussion
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Hi greyshores,

Quote:
................ I'm no where near those bejeweled gates of the pros!


as in e. above - nothing wrong with going here from time to time,
with Mr. Kaspersky might be wiser.


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