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 Post subject: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 9th, 2012, 18:46 
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Don't know if i'm in the correct thread - sorry fi not
Everytime i boot my netbook hp dm1-3180 eg i get the error smart hard disk 1 (301)
In the BIOS there is no option to disable the error while booting.

I've already low-level formated the hard drive and did scan and repair with HDD regenerator. - nothing helps.
I don't care if the HDD crashes soon - everything is saved.

Is there a a possibility to deactivate SMART? - or at least to hide the error while booting?

Here is a screenshot from HD - Tune
http://cdn.overclock.net/8/88/88fa5cb2_smarterror.jpeg


thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:19 
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Your only choice is to Clear Smart by some tools like Salvation Data HDD doctor or other HDD tools for Hitachi or Disable your HDD SMART by Hitachi factory tools( If possible or Exist!).
I fix this errors for 4 Brands: Maxtor-Seagte-WD-Samsung But not for Hitachi-Toshiba-Fujitsu....


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:32 
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The smart error is there for a reason, backup your data and replace the drive, it is failing.

If your brake warning light comes on in your car, you think that removing the bulb in the warning indicator would fix the brakes?

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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 7:26 
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thank you for your answers.
i dont mind if the HDD fails soon - I've already made a back up.
I just want it to run properly until it dies. - it's just a netbook to write on at the University


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 8:16 
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Could we see how HD Sentinel or HDDScan reports those same SMART values? The full 48 bit hexadecimal values often reveal a lot more than HD Tune's 32 bit decimal data, some of which are obviously nonsensical (eg -24641104 errors or 3014702 shutdowns). IMHO, HD Tune is great for benchmarking, but lousy for SMART reporting.

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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 8:22 
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p.zonouz wrote:
Your only choice is to Clear Smart by some tools like Salvation Data HDD doctor or other HDD tools for Hitachi or Disable your HDD SMART by Hitachi factory tools( If possible or Exist!).
I fix this errors for 4 Brands: Maxtor-Seagte-WD-Samsung But not for Hitachi-Toshiba-Fujitsu....


And you fix it by only CLEARING the warning ? It's like sweeping dust under a carpet. The disk needs to be completely recertified to be useful and reliable.

However, I can do it the right way but it's pointless for 1 HDD . If they were 10 maybe....


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 9:04 
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@fzabkar thank you, i'll post it later when i'm home.
@BlackST yes like i said - i would like to sweep the dust under a carpet.

Everything is safed - i just want the HDD to work properly without pressing F1 at every startup (HP disabled many in the BIOS, so i cant disable the warning) until it crashes.

If it is able to "repair" the HD with software it's fine, but i don't want it to really repair it to save data.
It's just a 2,5" 500 GB Hitachi from my netbook


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 10:10 
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Find someone in your area with the right tool - unfortunately it costs about 10'000 $ - and ask to sweep... ehm, fix it . There's nothing you can do on your own, I'm afraid.


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 10:21 
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damn... - what exactly does the error mean?
I can't find any bad sectors, and the harddrive seems to work fine..


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 10:52 
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choZen1990 wrote:
damn... - what exactly does the error mean?

It means that your drive is reporting a SMART predictive failure status. If you are requesting more interpretation from the readers here, and don't care about the drive's lifespan as you have said, then you must supply the full SMART attribute data, including raw attribute values, as you have already been told by fzabkar. Until you have supplied that data, then any further questions are just a waste of time IMHO :)

FYI, due to features & expectations in some BIOS, then even if you try to disable SMART support in the drive (to prevent your current warning message) that may cause a new & different message from the BIOS during boot (I've seen that before). In short - your ability to prevent warning messages from a failing drive depends on the BIOS and its features / functionality / options (none of which are on-topic here).


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 11:36 
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i think it's over...

I just let the hdd generator dos test (just scan - not repair) scan the laptop when the power goes off and i'm not able to restart it any more..
nothing blinks or peeps - he is just dead


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 12:04 
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Ok... fail - the power supply wasn't properly plugged in, so the netbook emptied the accu until 0% in dos....


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 12:35 
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here are the errors:
S.M.A.R.T.
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Nr. Attribute Schw.. Wert Schl.. Daten Status Flags
1 Raw Read Error Rate 62 100 100 000000000000 OK Selbsterhaltend, Fehlerrate, Performance, Statistisc..
2 Throughput Performance 40 100 100 000000000000 OK Selbsterhaltend, Performance, Kritisch
3 Spin Up Time 33 173 100 001A00000002 OK Selbsterhaltend, Statistisch, Kritisch
4 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 000000000485 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
5 Reallocated Sectors Co.. 5 100 100 000000000000 OK Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch, Kri..
7 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 000000000000 OK Selbsterhaltend, Fehlerrate, Performance, Statistisc..
8 Seek Time Performance 40 100 100 000000000000 OK Selbsterhaltend, Performance, Kritisch
9 Power On Time Count 0 98 98 0000000003C9 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
10 Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 000000000000 OK Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch, Kri..
12 Drive Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 000000000479 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
183 SATA Downshift Count 0 100 100 000000000000 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
184 End-to-End Error Count 97 1 1 000001B00000 Vorausfall: Datenverlu.. Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch, Kri..
187 Reported Uncorrectable.. 0 100 100 0000FE8801B0 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
188 Command Timeout 0 100 1 000000000EB0 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
190 Airflow Temperature 45 66 55 0000221B0022 OK Selbsterhaltend, Statistisch
191 G-Sense Error Rate 0 100 100 0000000000DB OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
192 Power off Retract Cycl.. 0 100 100 0000002F002F OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
193 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 100 100 000000000AA7 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
196 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 000000000000 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
197 Current Pending Sector.. 0 100 100 000000000000 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Statistisch
198 Off-Line Uncorrectable.. 0 100 100 000000000000 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse
199 Ultra ATA CRC Error Co.. 0 100 100 000000000055 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Anzahl Ereignisse, Performance, Sta..
223 Load/Unload Retry Count 0 100 100 000000000000 OK (immer bestanden) Selbsterhaltend, Fehlerrate, Statistisch


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 12:47 
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Looking at the SMART data via HD Tune, with its incorrect raw data representation (being displayed as a signed 32-bit number?), I could guess at the type of problem with the drive - but there is no point in doing that, because any real resolution would cost money, and you say that you don't want to repair the drive. Interestingly, the drive seems to have already been unable to supply some data to the host, so you should not expect the drive to work normally until it finally dies - it may continue to be "flaky".

You seem to be looking for a free "fix" i.e. to hide the SMART warning during boot (which has just a slight impact for you, needing to press F1 during boot), so I see only 2 possible free options for you. Either:

a) accept the current situation and press F1 on each boot; or
b) use HDAT2 to see if this drive's DCO options will allow the drive to report that it has no SMART support (and therefore the drive cannot report a SMART failure to the BIOS). However, as I said before, that may cause a different warning from the BIOS i.e. a warning that the drive has no SMART support! You would have to try it and see how your BIOS behaves. That seems a lot of effort for little (perhaps zero) benefit, but it's your time you will need to spend, not mine, so it's your choice. :) Good luck with whatever you decide!

Edited to add: While I was typing this reply, I see that you have now added some better-quality raw SMART data, thanks. That confirms my interpretation above, IMHO.


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 14:54 
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This is going to be another SMART-STALKING thread, I'm afraid... :(
Unfortunately even for disabling SMART correctly in this case, tooling is needed.


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 14:57 
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ok thanks vulcan- i'll try what you suggested, and if it doesn't work i'll have to live with it..
but what would you guess is the error? defect cable? - too hot? - I've scanned for bad sectors, but everything is fine
The laptop is much slower than before, and i read in a forum that SMART throttles the speed of a hdd down if it reads an error..

It never fell to the ground or something...
It just drives me crazy because the hdd broke three weeks after the warranty expired...


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 15:34 
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Simple wear and tear. Talking about it won't solve the problem and there's no FREE solution. It's like discussing about a worn battery in a car.


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 16:07 
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BlackST wrote:
Simple wear and tear. Talking about it won't solve the problem and there's no FREE solution. It's like discussing about a worn battery in a car.


choZen1990 wrote:
i'll try what you suggested, and if it doesn't work i'll have to live with it.."


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 16:20 
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SMART attribute 184, from Wikipedia:
This attribute is a part of Hewlett-Packard's SMART IV technology, as well as part of other vendors' IO Error Detection and Correction schemas, and it contains a count of parity errors which occur in the data path to the media via the drive's cache RAM.

This explains why there are no bad sectors and why the laptop is slower than before. There must be some electrical problem related to the cache, maybe faulty RAM chip.


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 Post subject: Re: hard disk smart error 301
PostPosted: November 10th, 2012, 16:38 
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Indeed, that general area would be my focus for further investigation too - but even if that is the problem area, as BlackST said: "Talking about it won't solve the problem and there's no FREE solution". Without money being spent by the OP, we'll never know whether any particular suggestion (guess) is correct or not... :(


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