new 3tb hard drive and problems

[brian]

hello hddg forums, i have just discovered your forum and could really use some help:

i have just got a new 3tb sata hd, i am using it as an external drive though a usb sata dock

unfortunately my os is xp 32bit, i know now that this can only support 2.2tb but i have read that some people have successfully got their 3tb drives to work

the disk did not show up in xp disk management

i have tried making the disk mbr instead of gpt on a borrowed win 7 pc and then formatted the larger 2tb partition (28 hours), but when i tried to format the smaller partition, new simple volume was greyed out, i then tried it again on my xp pc to see if i could use the formatted 2tb partition but the disk was not recognized in disk management still

i then went back to win7, changed to gpt and quick formatted the disk, back on xp pc it was recognized n disk management as a 2tb gpt drive but i could do nothing with it.

i have done many hours of searching and trying software as i find it, nothing helps and frustratingly i can't find the old threads/sites i found before where guys had resolved this for themselves

if you can advise on whether there is any way to use this 3tb hd with win xp 32bit i would certainly appreciate it, thank you

[brian]

if the original post is too rambling, the essence of it is: is there a way i can get my new 3tb external drive to work on my pc which is running windows xp?

thanks again

[brian]

bump for help

[einstein9]

in Ext. only (which is bad idea)
upgrade better

[HaQue]

Upgrade XP. If you cant, Id like to hear the excuse (so I can tell you why it is not good)

[brian]

in Ext. only (which is bad idea)
upgrade better

hi einstein thank you so much for replying, you say i could use it in ext. you mean as an external drive right? that's what i'm trying to do, could you explain how please?

i know it would be better if i had a newer os, but i have to work with what i have you know

thank you

[digitalferret]

bri:
could give this a look ...
http://www.ghacks.net/2010/11/04/how-to ... indows-xp/

K

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[brian]

digitalferret that is the first thing i tried lol, i think it is not free anymore

thanks for replying man

[digitalferret]

bri:
fair play, yeh its around $20 now, my bad.
Maybe a different angle would be to try "unlock" options. (poor desciption i guess but thats the terminology used)
Check mobo manufacturers website for proggies. these allow you to make multiple partitions without the need for UEFI

http://www.gigabyte.com/microsite/276/3tb.html
http://www.asrock.com/feature/3tb/

probably more... and some info in fora regarding GPT

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/269 ... rives-show

and mentions of 4k sectors in others

gl dude, its a pia for sure.

K

[HaQue]

As you wont be getting any more security patches for windows XP, I assume that it isn't on the net and you wont ever be connecting any other media to it? This makes for a very limited PC...

You wouldn't want to spend all this time working this out to have cryptolocker hose both your PC and your new 3TB.

Otherwise, win7 seems to do everything you need AND you will get patches.

or, support the guys that work hard to make software for you to do exactly what you need, and ease the frustration.. pay the $20

you have 2 solutions right there.

But this is just one of the problems you are in for if you keep trying to stick to XP.

[brian]

bri:
fair play, yeh its around $20 now, my bad.
Maybe a different angle would be to try "unlock" options. (poor desciption i guess but thats the terminology used)
Check mobo manufacturers website for proggies. these allow you to make multiple partitions without the need for UEFI

http://www.gigabyte.com/microsite/276/3tb.html
http://www.asrock.com/feature/3tb/

probably more... and some info in fora regarding GPT

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/269 ... rives-show

and mentions of 4k sectors in others

gl dude, its a pia for sure.

K

thanks mate

[brian]

As you wont be getting any more security patches for windows XP, I assume that it isn't on the net and you wont ever be connecting any other media to it? This makes for a very limited PC...

You wouldn't want to spend all this time working this out to have cryptolocker hose both your PC and your new 3TB.

Otherwise, win7 seems to do everything you need AND you will get patches.

or, support the guys that work hard to make software for you to do exactly what you need, and ease the frustration.. pay the $20

you have 2 solutions right there.

But this is just one of the problems you are in for if you keep trying to stick to XP.

yes, i did want to get win 7 a few months ago when support ended but looking on amazon i was put off by all the different versions and all of them from amazon sellers (none from amazon itself) and all of them had some bad reviews: no product key, bad disc etc, if i could buy the right version from a reputable source like amazon i would most likely do it

i didn't know which win 7 to buy (i didn't want one which i could only use once, i read that some of them you can only use them on one motherboard; it codes itself to the mobo and you can only install/reinstall it on that pc/mobo, i have had mobo's break on me before and didn't want this.

i've reinstalled my win xp lots of times over the years on my pc including when my mobo broke and i changed it for a different mobo

also, most of the win7's were twice as much £ as win8, i don't want win8. i wish i bought win7 before but you can't go back

i don't even know if my pc would run those os's anyway

you could get cryptolocked on any os if you're unlucky enough and you open the wrong spam email couldn't you?

[raduque]

Either way you look at it, you're going to need to spend money. To buy the specialized driver or to buy Windows 7 or 8.1.

Personally, I think you should buy Windows 8.1. It's significantly better than Windows 7.

[brian]

Either way you look at it, you're going to need to spend money. To buy the specialized driver or to buy Windows 7 or 8.1.

Personally, I think you should buy Windows 8.1. It's significantly better than Windows 7.

yes i know, i'm putting it off, i'll need new pc/new os sometime for sure but not the best time

i would get a new win os if i could get the right one tbh, to solve the headaches, i did try to buy it when the xp support ended

do you think 8.1 is that much better? i've seen it a couple times and tried it once and hated it. i looked at some guides and videos and they seemed to suggest it needed 3rd party apps to make it more usable.
i admit i did not do a lot of research on win 8 though,

i am open to a new os and i do like win7 a lot though, maybe win8 is ok

[digitalferret]

On topic:
cheapest upgrade to W7 is to buy a COA key and d/l the appropriate iso from the list here

http://www.w7forums.com/threads/officia ... ads.12325/
This rather than buying disk set from Amazon.

O/T
All this bleating about XP makes me want to cry.

apologies for hijack here but:

The highest risk posed to any PC is that of an inept operator.

Customer confidentiality prevents detail here but the things i see on a weekly basis are both mindblowing and frightening in equal measure.

Regardless of MS OS.
This ranges from machines so bloated with un-necessary s/w loaded by alleged reputable s/w vendors, fed by FUD, they are at snails pace - right the way thro to a complete disregard for any sort of backup procedure, zero risk awareness and ignorance of even the most fundamental hardware / software maintenance.

PC stores sell the unwitting customer solutions to problems that don't exist and allegedly trained staff sell gear that is incompatible with the system it is needed for.

Microsoft *need* to sell the latest and greatest OS and will bias the market so this happens.

Opting out of the rat race.
Basic (free) XP security if you want to proceed at your own risk (much the same for any MS system tbh)

1 good and likely free AV. (that doesn't load all sorts of ads adware etc) (try Panda - cloud version)
1 good and free companion AV/AM (MBAM - passive mode)
1 sandbox utility (try Sandboxie) and run browsers via this.

Turn off Hide Extensions of known file types (majority of malware i see here is via email using a disguised .exe file)
Use Ninite.com to update/grab s/w. it declines all the free offers of taskbars and apps by default.
Back up important files to off-machine device.
Decline all "click this/view this" offers via email.
Disable javascript if you can get by without it.
Unplug net cable when net not in use.

If you aren't tied to proprietary (business) software give Linux a try.

If you are really paranoid about going online, use a LiveCD to browse the net.
Did i mention BackUps ?

/rant
oh and btw, this XP box just ran an MS auto-update and prompted for reboot ...... >.<

[brian]

i'm having trouble replying, the faq say's to contact admin but i can't see how, can't see a link to contact
also can't pm, i tried to pm you digitalferret

[raduque]

Either way you look at it, you're going to need to spend money. To buy the specialized driver or to buy Windows 7 or 8.1.

Personally, I think you should buy Windows 8.1. It's significantly better than Windows 7.

yes i know, i'm putting it off, i'll need new pc/new os sometime for sure but not the best time

i would get a new win os if i could get the right one tbh, to solve the headaches, i did try to buy it when the xp support ended

do you think 8.1 is that much better? i've seen it a couple times and tried it once and hated it. i looked at some guides and videos and they seemed to suggest it needed 3rd party apps to make it more usable.
i admit i did not do a lot of research on win 8 though,

i am open to a new os and i do like win7 a lot though, maybe win8 is ok

Going off topic now.

I thought 8 was stupid at first, and I refused to use it... till I bought a Windows 8 laptop and updated it to 8.1. I learned to use it and I actually like it.

Windows 8 certainly does not, IMO, need any sort of hacks to be usable, though a touchscreen helps. It's 100% usable with a keyboard and mouse.

You should give it another chance.

[HaQue]

Sorry old bud, going to have to disagree a bit on some of that.

On topic:
cheapest upgrade to W7 is to buy a COA key and d/l the appropriate iso from the list here

http://www.w7forums.com/threads/officia ... ads.12325/
This rather than buying disk set from Amazon.

Not being able to find a version of Win7, or a version that is suitable is a load of baulderdash. Seemed to be able to come on here asking about more technical issues quite fine. Im thinking that is just crapola.

O/T
All this bleating about XP makes me want to cry.

apologies for hijack here but:

The highest risk posed to any PC is that of an inept operator.

Customer confidentiality prevents detail here but the things i see on a weekly basis are both mindblowing and frightening in equal measure.

Regardless of MS OS.
This ranges from machines so bloated with un-necessary s/w loaded by alleged reputable s/w vendors, fed by FUD, they are at snails pace - right the way thro to a complete disregard for any sort of backup procedure, zero risk awareness and ignorance of even the most fundamental hardware / software maintenance.

PC stores sell the unwitting customer solutions to problems that don't exist and allegedly trained staff sell gear that is incompatible with the system it is needed for.

100% agree. I do a lot of work on Edu networks and see many many ridiculous things. - but, you have to remember that it isn't one or the other..

analogy time:
you see someone driving an old crappy car and the steering is shot. They say they cant afford to upgrade, and that they should be ok, they are used to it. I say upgrade the car because it will just continue to cost more money. You might (in my analogy) say no use buying a new car because they cant drive anyway and they will still probably smash it up.

well in my analogy, they have both an old car that is dangerous AND bad driving habits. BUT a new car has a better safety rating and probably handles driver errors better. Kia's, unusually, are fine for this analogy!

With computers, yes user errors abound with newer OS's, but the mitigation is also more robust. Users cant shoot themselves in the foot as easy.

Also, what I see totally ignored is that a computer is NOT a stand-alone machine anymore. You can lose control of your PC quite easily, and more easily on XP, without knowing it. Some people actually know they are infected with malware and either think it is too hard, or don't care and don't remediate. Your computer can be used to harm other family members, collegues and peers, and the general internet. Some of you reading this are infected and your computer is being used right now as a tool to steal other peoples data.

Microsoft *need* to sell the latest and greatest OS and will bias the market so this happens.

Interesting take on it, in some ways true, but also I would say that no-one works harder on computer security than Microsoft. I heard only recently on the Risky Business podcast that a MS team wrestled with the decision to keep providing patches to OS's that were pirated, and opted to because the internet as a whole did benefit.

It takes a LOT of money to make good safe code and OS's and keep up with the hardware, and also takes a commitment to keep on keeping on 24/7.. so the price for 7, 8, 8.1 is not unreasonable.
[/quote]

Opting out of the rat race.
Basic (free) XP security if you want to proceed at your own risk (much the same for any MS system tbh)

1 good and likely free AV. (that doesn't load all sorts of ads adware etc) (try Panda - cloud version)
1 good and free companion AV/AM (MBAM - passive mode)
1 sandbox utility (try Sandboxie) and run browsers via this.

Turn off Hide Extensions of known file types (majority of malware i see here is via email using a disguised .exe file)
Use Ninite.com to update/grab s/w. it declines all the free offers of taskbars and apps by default.
Back up important files to off-machine device.
Decline all "click this/view this" offers via email.
Disable javascript if you can get by without it.
Unplug net cable when net not in use.

If you aren't tied to proprietary (business) software give Linux a try.

If you are really paranoid about going online, use a LiveCD to browse the net.
Did i mention BackUps ?

The users that are capable of this are probably not in the subset of users talked about before, that cock things up for themselves.

Most users don't understand things like https, certificates, what any of the warnings actually mean when browsing, difference between virii and other malware, botnets, what a drive by download means, the difference between a file extension and a file type (say..wmv labelled as an .mp4.. wmv can have code embedded), don't know what ASLR is or why it is better to have an OS that supports it, etc etc.. The talk about windows 8 NEVER includes any of the work done to increase security.. I am willing to bet that no person on this forum could write a working remote code execution attack for 8.1, but for winXP, or at least XPSP2 probably a few of us could given a few days.
Must piss of MS to no end that all the talk about win8 is about the stupid tile look and navigation, and not about all the code/security/support improvements(I hated 8 when I tried it too and haven't had the heart to try 8.1 yet).

If you have done a lot of group policy work and active directory, you might not have the love for XP after battling dual compatibility. I took out the last XP box from one school, and with them gone a swag of issues are now gone.

the last thing overlooked is the ratio of your total computer security model, AV, not clicking shit, and other practices...to the attackers skill at trying to compromise you. Many people forget or don't know that there are millions of people studying user behaviour at such a level that you wouldn't even believe it. There are people trawling through code with debuggers and disassembling the programs you run looking for the next way to exploit you. There are teams of people with millions of stolen dollars figuring out any possible way to infect your computer. there are probably thousands of exploits for the variety of devices out there. they can try them all, many times over. They can automate every known working attack as well, and they do. They can check what browser you have and throw thousands of exploits at it. How many times do they need to be successful?? ONCE.

Why would you not do everything you can to protect yourself.

/rant

Ditto!!

oh and btw, this XP box just ran an MS auto-update and prompted for reboot ...... >.<

Yes they wussed out and provided a patch, after the end of support, for a pretty nasty IE vuln. I expect they will release some from time to time, but no-one should expect it. Another recent bug however has not yet been patched for XP