Maxtor calypso compatibility problem :D

Hi all hddguru, please help me on this beginner case.

I would like to recover data from maxtor harddrive (the pcb burnout)
the spec is :
Name : Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 80GB
Model : 6Y080L0132013 - YAR41BW0 - NMBD
Proc : Ardent-C8C1-840UK - 0339S

When I change with this PCB (Good PCB):
name : Maxtor Diamond max Plus 9 80GB
Model : 6Y080L0422611 - YAR41BW0 - NGBA
Proc : Ogere Ardent-C8C1-840UK - 0510T

It start clicking when power up.

Using PC3000 PCI
1. Choose SafeMode
2. PowerOn - Satus register : DRD + DRC ready (firmware detected as YAR43KJZ)
3. Choose LDR File Loading (loading from database YAR41BW0 - AC1D)
4. Motor start spinning, then after 5 second the head start to clicking
(What is wrong ? do I choose Wrong LDR ?)
5. Head clicking stop after 7-10 second (DRD + DRC ready)
6. Choose HDD ID reading - (firmware code become YAR41BW0)
7. Utility start - head start clicking again.
8. PowerOff

my question - sorry for this beginner question ?
1. Why the good PCb not compatible with the old one? i see the proc, model, firmware are already the same one ?
2. I try using HS on this drive, but when try SA check, everything ERR. Why ?? please advice.
3. Is there any method I'm doing wrong ? or any suggestion method to get the data back ???

best regards
Tony Heryanto

Hi
Probably some of the heads (3 of them) (but not main SA head) is not working properly.

Adaptive parameters on the EEPROM on new PCB not compatible.... try another different PCB first (read the article on MAXTOR CALYPSO boards....) if hdd recalibrates you are on half way... If not, something else is burnt out inside the HDA.... (preamp) . Good luck !

I think the pcb did not match

Thanks for everybody reply.

to rameez..
" any advice why this pcb don't match ?? "

to BlackST
" when powerup the hdd recalibrates, but then the head start to clicking. I don't know it is a head problem or preamplier problem ?? how can we check it ?? "

to Samo.
" How to check which head is good and which head bad. "

the problem is when I'm using pc3000 to check and choosing the loader for this drive, its also start to clicking head.

I asked yuriy (acelab), and he said maybe head problem. so any suggestion ?

tonyht wrote:

the problem is when I'm using pc3000 to check and choosing the loader for this drive, its also start to clicking head.

while loading LDR if hdd is clicking..it means that LDR file does not match with the hdd's req. info. like hda, pcba, unique, pcb no., and hdd code like NMBA,,NMCB etc.

these should be matched with ur defective hdd..

u said that when u power on hdd, it starts clicking, it means ur pcb does not match...check all these info. of ur defective and new hdd for changing PCB.

tonyht wrote:

the problem is when I'm using pc3000 to check and choosing the loader for this drive, its also start to clicking head.

while loading LDR if hdd is clicking..it means that LDR file does not match with the hdd's req. info. like hda, pcba, unique, pcb no., and hdd code like NMBA,,NMCB etc.

these should be matched with ur defective hdd..

u said that when u power on hdd, it starts clicking, it means ur pcb does not match...check all these info. of ur defective and new hdd for changing PCB.

tonyht wrote:to Samo.
" How to check which head is good and which head bad. "

... I'm using pc3000 ....

By trying to read from each one of the heads.
Which version you use?

arfaizy13 wrote:while loading LDR if hdd is clicking..it means that LDR file does not match with the hdd's req. info. like hda, pcba, unique, pcb no., and hdd code like NMBA,,NMCB etc......

R U sure?

P.S. tonyht if you need the data, you whould think about head change

yes i m sure

arfaizy13 wrote:yes i m sure

Hi arfaizy13,

I don't think so ..... :wink:

you doing some testing again ?

Hi all. thanks again for the reply.

I'm using pc3000 v2.27.

as I read some about maxtor drive in the forum, it said that some clicking problem maybe cause by bad head, or maybe LDR file don't match.
In my case, when start LDR loading, the hdd start to recalibrate (in my opinion the LDR should be match) and the start to clicking. (maybe head problem, correct me if there is another possibility).

As I known, in order to perform head change, we must to match the hdd code, like NMCA, NGCA, etc... ( Again, correct me if I'm wrong.)

I'm thinking about head change, but still not sure how to make the custom tool to make the head not sticking together. for 2 head I'm using a piece of paper, but for many head ?????? still looking for solution..

anyone have an idea, advice, or maybe picture about their custom made tool. please send to my email... tonyht@gmail.com

best regards
Tony Heryanto

Name : Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 80GB
Model : 6Y080L0132013 - YAR41BW0 - NMBD
Proc : Ardent-C8C1-840UK - 0339S

When I change with this PCB (Good PCB):
name : Maxtor Diamond max Plus 9 80GB
Model : 6Y080L0422611 - YAR41BW0 - NGBA
Proc : Ogere Ardent-C8C1-840UK - 0510T

u said that u changed the pcb as above .

The head pcb and unique of the pcb dont match even difference in nmdb nothing matches in the doner pcb so if the hdd is clicking it is obvios that the pcb did not match not a problem of LDR .

That is what i think .

Hi tonyht,

I'm using pc3000 v2.27.

Hope you have in mind PCI :wink:

As I known, in order to perform Head Change, we must to match the hdd code, like NMCA, NGCA, etc... ( Again, correct me if I'm wrong.)

You must watch head order too. I.e there may be order 2,3,4; 3,4,5 .... even all other needed match.

rameez wrote:The head pcb and unique of the pcb dont match even difference in nmdb nothing matches in the doner pcb so if the hdd is clicking it is obvios that the pcb did not match not a problem of LDR .
That is what i think .

You have been read some manuals and this is praised, but you are missing something. With the time you will get more experience and hope will understand our disagreement.

rameez wrote:Name : Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 80GB
Model : 6Y080L0132013 - YAR41BW0 - NMBD
Proc : Ardent-C8C1-840UK - 0339S

When I change with this PCB (Good PCB):
name : Maxtor Diamond max Plus 9 80GB
Model : 6Y080L0422611 - YAR41BW0 - NGBA
Proc : Ogere Ardent-C8C1-840UK - 0510T

u said that u changed the pcb as above .

The head pcb and unique of the pcb dont match even difference in nmdb nothing matches in the doner pcb so if the hdd is clicking it is obvios that the pcb did not match not a problem of LDR .

That is what i think .

Not right....

PCBs are matching and fully compatible.....

First one is F4FYA...
second one is M6FYA....

both of them are interchangeble for fw YAR41BW0.....

Problem is mayby on HDA or wrong LDR....

Hi,

Let me say something

I usually ask the customer what caused the PCB burnout, and what ELSE has been damaged in the PC?
If he says only the HDD, CDrom, soundcard, or old 10M network card, we can be almost sure the problem came in only on the 12V line. almost

Should he mention motherboard, CPU, RAM, we can suspect the 5V line to be the problem (or both).
In the first case it is very rare the HDA gets damaged, usually only the motor/VCM combo is burnt and some components nearby.
In the second one we can get the idea of checking the preamp with the models using -5V/+5V alimentation strategy for the preamp.
Calypso belongs to this group, so if the 5V line caused the problem, almost surely the preamp is burnt out, U will have to replace it (not the MHA, but only the preamp).
I usually check it with a multimeter in diode checking mode, check first the power lines going into the HDA against the GND and compare the values to a known good HDA's similar values.
Should they match, I check the other IO pins. Note that there can be difference, but not significant, usually within 20%.
It is a good idea to check the preamp if the small 8pin IC is damaged near the Combo, because its damage can point out that the -5V power line is shorted (by the preamp) and if U put a good board on this HDA, this IC will go smoking and probably the combo too

regards,
pepe

Thanks to all for your concern and advice,

but I still confuse, cause there is two opposite advice in here.

rameez wrote:u said that u changed the pcb as above .

The head pcb and unique of the pcb dont match even difference in nmdb nothing matches in the doner pcb so if the hdd is clicking it is obvios that the pcb did not match not a problem of LDR .

That is what i think .

gsimon wrote:PCBs are matching and fully compatible.....

First one is F4FYA...
second one is M6FYA....

both of them are interchangeble for fw YAR41BW0.....

Problem is mayby on HDA or wrong LDR....

samo wrote:You have been read some manuals and this is praised, but you are missing something. With the time you will get more experience and hope will understand our disagreement.

I know I must read a lot and get more experience. and I hope with asking more experiences DR person in here, I will more quickly to understand.

so.. any more advice to clear this compatibility problem ?

Hopefully with many person share their knowledge here, we exchange more experiences.
Thanks

regards
Tony heryanto

to remove the confusion that if it is PCB problem or wron LDR prob ,, u chk the hdd like that !!

1-) after changing PCB u power on hdd in normal mode and if hdd is clicking it means that PCB does not match .. and if hdd is detecting that it means that PCB has been matched..

2-) in safe mode when u load LDR and hdd starts clicking,, it means that LDR does not match..

any one can correct me if i m wrong !!

Hi all,

I have the same problem with Tony, I have 2 Maxtor Calypso, the clicking one is Maxtor 6Y080L0421011 code YAR41BW0 NMCA, the working drive is Maxtor 6Y080P0183832 code YAR41BW0 NMCA, they are both MCU Ardent C8-C1. I swap the PCB, the clicking is still clicking, the working is still working. So, I think the problem is not at PCB.

Correct me if I'm wrong,
TN

the head, depop head.

There's a code on the label (next to barcode on the bottom of the drive). The format is

1Y222J2223322

1, 2 and 3 stand for numbers, Y and J for letters. The numbers 1 and 3 as well as the letter Y need to be identical. You then have a matching PCB.

However, you may also have to desolder the ROM chip from the old board (faulty) to the donor board.

Duncan Clarke
Retrodata.co.uk