Platter swap; more than one platter?

[hybris2k]

Hi everyone!

This is my first post here and I hope I can get some guidance regarding a problem I have here..
I work with data recovery as most other people here and I am trying to get my mind around how to swap more than one platter without relying on luck. Getting let's say three platters aligned seems virtually impossible unless you grab them with some crazy tool that keeps them aligned during the transfer from the original drive to the donor. I read that people manage to swap succesfully (except for Hitachis which seem very hard) but how? Can someone shed some light on this for me?

Thanks in advance!

[rchadwick]

Salvation Data sells "some crazy tool".

[hybris2k]

Thanx a lot for the reply!

I found about this tool by searching the forums.. What I meant by crazy was that it can hold the platters tight enough so they don't lose their alignment. I suppose it is a worth a shot though. Thanx again!

Regards, Staffan

[Doomer]

What I meant by crazy was that it can hold the platters tight enough so they don't lose their alignment.

That's common mistake
Platters originally do not have concentric allignment
This "tool" will make it worse
IMHO this "tool" is really useless

[netmouse98]

but if you need your data you don't want to misalign the platters. once misaligned you will never get your data back. it that correct?

[sempre]

Hi to all!

I find that here in the forum it must have somebody that can pass information on some efficient tool!

In the wait!

[Doomer]

but if you need your data you don't want to misalign the platters. once misaligned you will never get your data back. it that correct?

Generaly speaking - yes
But there are many exceptions and dependences

[wawalab]

Sometimes i use adhesive tape wrap Platters' brink and take them out perpendicularity
BTW happy new year everyone!
wawalab

[salvationlaura]

I can not keep silence any more on this topic.

Yes,I have to admit that it's an indutrial problem on how to keep a concentric alignment when swapping platters.

SalvationDATA provide one solution on this problem. it is the Head Platter Exchanger pro. There are many clients selected this crazy tool because it really works on most hard disk. Except the 300GB, 500GB Seagate hard drives and Samsung 250 GB hard drive as there are dividers between the platters.

As wawalab said, he can use adhesive tape wrap Platters' brink and take them out perpendicularity. It sounds more crazy.

To hybris2k:

IMHO, you can use our crazy tools or your skillfuls hands to swap multi-platters. I want to say, no tool can solve all your problems in the world. So far there is not a push-botton solution for physical DATA recovery.

We, gurus here and SalvationDATA staff, are keeping searching for the best way to solve the problem that we already encountered and will encounter .

Best wishes

Laura Lee

[PalmerData]

Dear all,

General rule of thumb - don't mess with the alignment of the patters! From my experience, 2.5" drives have a high tolerance for misalignment which means the 'adhesive tape' method works well. But 3.5" drives - especially the larger models - do not take kindly to this treatment and the platters need to be held more securely.

I have seen Salvation Data's platter transplantation tool, it is very professionally made and works well except for the drives - as Laura mentioned - with baffles between the platters.

We designed our own tool that we had manufactured by an engineering company for us, that does not encounter this problem and is adaptable for all makes and models - including the ones with baffles. It's far from a push button solution... but it works!

[Clusterox]

Laura Wrote:

So far there is not a push-botton solution for physical DATA recovery.

I liked it.

[Doomer]

I can not keep silence any more on this topic.

Yes,I have to admit that it's an indutrial problem on how to keep a concentric alignment when swapping platters.

SalvationDATA provide one solution on this problem. it is the Head Platter Exchanger pro. There are many clients selected this crazy tool because it really works on most hard disk. Except the 300GB, 500GB Seagate hard drives and Samsung 250 GB hard drive as there are dividers between the platters.

1. Platters on a drive do not have concentric alignment
2. I do not see any technical differencies between "tape" method and SD tool method - they both shift platters after untighting screws
3. Some new Maxtor HDDs have separators too (So SD tool is loosing here too in compare with "tape" method)
4. Different drives have different possibilities of platters misalignment compensation. Some drives are assembling after servomarks were written on platters. On these drives anybody could replace platters packet with any tool (even by using only fingeres). But some drives (like Maxtors) are very sensetive to platters misalignment and if drive has 2 or more platters "tape" method or SD tool method will not work


Basicly this SD tool is exactly the same "tape" method nothing more
You can use SD tool if you need to do presentation because it shiny and looks "misterious" for costumers

[salvationlaura]

Dear all,

General rule of thumb - don't mess with the alignment of the patters! From my experience, 2.5" drives have a high tolerance for misalignment which means the 'adhesive tape' method works well. But 3.5" drives - especially the larger models - do not take kindly to this treatment and the platters need to be held more securely.

I have seen Salvation Data's platter transplantation tool, it is very professionally made and works well except for the drives - as Laura mentioned - with baffles between the platters.

We designed our own tool that we had manufactured by an engineering company for us, that does not encounter this problem and is adaptable for all makes and models - including the ones with baffles. It's far from a push button solution... but it works!

I really want to have a look at your precious tool which designed by an engineering company. It must be cool and adorable for every one here.

[mr_spokk]

Dear all,

General rule of thumb - don't mess with the alignment of the patters! From my experience, 2.5" drives have a high tolerance for misalignment which means the 'adhesive tape' method works well. But 3.5" drives - especially the larger models - do not take kindly to this treatment and the platters need to be held more securely.

I have seen Salvation Data's platter transplantation tool, it is very professionally made and works well except for the drives - as Laura mentioned - with baffles between the platters.

We designed our own tool that we had manufactured by an engineering company for us, that does not encounter this problem and is adaptable for all makes and models - including the ones with baffles. It's far from a push button solution... but it works!

Hi,
Is there any chance to see a picture of your solution?

Regards/ Bosse

[PalmerData]

Sorry Guys and Girls, I'm happy to help where I can but I can't give you any more information about our in-house tools. I'm sure the Gurus at Salvation Data will figure it out soon.

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[Doomer]

nice photoshop buddy
Thank you for the joke that was really funny

[HardDiskBug]

Dear Timothy,
Your post is not bad, but the place you did this post is not suitable. We have a separate forum named "Fun Stuff" on hddguru to post such things or images..

Cheers..

[Layoric]

Sometimes i use adhesive tape wrap Platters' brink and take them out perpendicularity
BTW happy new year everyone!
wawalab

What do you mean 'wrap platters brink'? What is 'brink'? Do you mean you wrap tape around the edges? What about if there's spacers?

Layoric

[awdrifter]

What is the tape method that's mentioned in the earlier post? Is there a tutorial or video on that? All the tutorials I've found are advertisements of the platter exhange tool by a certain company. I'm not looking for professional data recovery, just messing around to see if I can revive one of my dead WD drive.

[prodata]

Tape method is very risky...