toshiba USB to SATA adaptation

[fzabkar]

@jbonlinea, could you measure the voltages at each of the pins of your USB port on your motherboard?

Could you provide a clear, detailed photo of your HDD board?

I think I see a fuse, but I'm not certain.

Here is the USB pinout:
http://pinoutsguide.com/PortableDevices ... nout.shtml

Pin #1 is arrowed in the photo. There is a mystery component to the left of the arrow.

[jbonlinea]

ok

Thank's everybody for your imputs, very wise

I'll call the data recovery company and get my hdd back and check all this through.

Then I'll let you know

Cheers

Jo

[jbonlinea]

Hi everybody.

I got my hdd and I'm back to business.

you can see the two pictures of the electronic board, one with a close view next to the usb port and the "fuses"

http://l.bitcasa.com/2f_nonXZ

http://l.bitcasa.com/PBilR9mr

http://l.bitcasa.com/oxjCMF8O
here are the two "S" component on the right side of the white arrow.

If your drive is exactly the same as the one above, then do you see this component in the image, I think it might be some kind of fuse that is blown. If you can test the voltage on either side, it might give you an idea if it works or not, then just replace the fuse or short it with a wire. However, I beleave the fuse acts as a resister as well, so you might overcurrent the smooth chip. Replacing the S component, if its blown, might be your best bet.

As you can see on the picture, I have two "S" component (the suspected fuse).

I haven't tested the voltage but the continuity: since there is no power (the electronic board is not plugged),the voltage will be 0 anyway, that's why i tested the continuity, which tell you wether the current is going through.
It seems that the current is going through both of them, I did the mesurement several times however with a multimeter of elctrician (not electronitian so with rather large, not so precise "head" or "pic").
the current is going through without resistance (but my flatmate who is electrician suspect it to be resistance)

also if you have a look, immediatly on left of the usb port there is a white square surounding a peice of circuit with two welding point. I also mesure the continuity there and get either 2.5 KΩ either 10.2KΩ depending how I place my device.

@jbonlinea, could you measure the voltages at each of the pins of your USB port on your motherboard?

Could you provide a clear, detailed photo of your HDD board?

I think I see a fuse, but I'm not certain.

Here is the USB pinout:
http://pinoutsguide.com/PortableDevices ... nout.shtml

Pin #1 is arrowed in the photo. There is a mystery component to the left of the arrow.

Well I can't mesure the voltage on the usb port since it is on a computer 10 000km away from where I'm now

@jbonlinea
maybe this information helps:
this HDD is used in a Toshiba Canvio USB 3.0 500GB external Drive (HDTC705EK3AA) that I have bought recently in the online store of the german Mediamarkt. (also available at amazon.de)

ok cool I had a look but to be sure this shop is in switzerland not germany ?
there is no much info on the hdd on their web site. Did you buy this one ?
http://shop.mediamarkt.ch/fr/ordinateur ... pz9jlvs570

my problem is that when I buy a Stor.E basic model HDTB105EK3AA, supose to be the same than mine, I do get a different hdd with a "regular" usb3 sata adaptator, so if it is the same with this one...




Ok I hope this few info will help

Than'ks for you replys

Jo

[fzabkar]

I've located the datasheets for those components whose part numbers I can read. They are listed below.

I notice that the MB86C311A bridge IC supports AES hardware encryption, so I'm wondering whether a SATA conversion would be a waste of time, at least from a DIY perspective. (I'm assuming that the MB86C311 and MB86C311A both support AES)

The two "S" fuses would appear to be 4 amp devices, but their marking code may not have the same meaning as Littelfuse parts. USB 3.0 is specified for 900mA, so 2 x 4A would appear to be overkill.

(BTW I'd like to apologise to ShaneWard for not noticing that he had already picked up on the fuse(s) before I mentioned them. Perhaps our posts were too close together)

The vacant rectangular location to the left of the USB connector appears to connect between the +5V USB supply and chassis ground. The resistance measurement would suggest that there is no short circuit or overload on the USB supply.

The board appears to have 3 power supplies -- +3.3V, +2.5V, and +1.2V.

I suspect that IC608 may be a +2.5V linear regulator which powers the SDRAM and the serial flash memory at IC606. This would in turn suggest that IC606 is associated with the MCU. AIUI, if the PCB is replaced, then IC606 would need to be transferred from patient to donor.

I suspect that the BD91363AMUV DC-DC converter and 1R2 coil constitute a +1.2V supply providing Vcore for both the Marvell MCU and Fujitsu bridge.

Coil L103 appears to be part of the +3.3V switchmode converter. It powers IC602 and the bridge IC. This would confirm that IC602 contains the bridge firmware.


References:

BD91363AMUV, Rohm, DC-DC converter, 4.8A, Vout = 0.9V - 3.3V, 1.5MHz, 3-bit VID, package VQFN020V4040:
http://www.rohm.co.jp/documents/11401/2 ... lineup.pdf
http://micro.rohm.com/cn/acdc-dcdc/dc_dc.html

Is the BD91363AMUV similar to BD91361MUV ?
http://rohmfs.rohm.com/en/products/data ... 1muv-e.pdf

Littelfuse Surface Mount Fuses, N = 2A, S = 4A:
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/48294.pdf

MB86C311A, Fujitsu, USB 3.0 - SATA bridge, AES encryption, 3.3V & 1.2V:
http://www.fujitsu.com/downloads/MICRO/ ... 082010.pdf
http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/indexer ... 186123.pdf
http://www.fujitsu.com/global/services/ ... ssp/usb30/

H5DU6462CTR-E3C, hynix, DDR SDRAM, 64Mbit, 2.5V, 200MHz:
http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/pdf/dram ... ies(Rev1.0).pdf
http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/indexer ... 011008.pdf

W25X20BL, Winbond, 2Mbit, 2.5V, SPI serial flash memory:
http://www.nexflash.com/NR/rdonlyres/C5 ... 5X40BL.pdf

M25P40-V6, ST Microelectronics, 4Mbit, 3.3V, SPI serial flash memory:
http://www.tme.eu/ch/Document/1257dea95 ... m25p40.pdf
http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/datashe ... 603601.pdf

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[jbonlinea]

Hi folks and thank's for your reply


@fzabkarhum: I did not get much of what you said, but that you identified some component and describe their role regarding the structure of the electronic board. Honestly I do not know what can I do with this in the perspective or recovring my data but you may be on your way


NEW TEST NEW INFO

I got a Canivo 500Go HDTC705EK3AA which indeed has MQ01BD050 hard drive (finalally it is the 4th HDD I buy, all of them but this one had the same model number than mine but a diferent hdd inside)
The elctronic board is slightly different from mine
see pict:
http://l.bitcasa.com/e84PbXZj

I plugged it anyway on my former HDD. The light is turning on, the HDD turns, or tries to.
Indeed there is a weired noise as if the HDD do not manage to turn nicely.
Something like :vvvvvtick - vvvvvvtick -vvvvvvtick - vvvvvvtick... etc., maybe half second long each, slightly less.
It also sounds like when you put a "bad" CD in you reader and never start to turn "full speed".
I think the HDD start (or try) to turn and stop, and again, and again...

in windows 7, at the first plug, a periferial driver install windows showed off ("instalation du logiciel de pilote"); there were two lines:
-USB mass storages (periférique de stockage de masse USB)
-TOSHIBA External USB 3.0 Device
both have a geen mark, followed by ready to use ("prêt à être utilisé)
see screenshot : http://l.bitcasa.com/jC5_Z959


nothing apears in windows explorer but i can see "Toshiba External USB 3.0 Device" in the device manager/drive reader (lecteur de disque)
see screenshot : http://l.bitcasa.com/A51Exidj


On OSX.6
the problem is similar but I don't see the HDD is disk utility


Last but not least.
Iplugged the new HDD on the old SATA/USB controler.
the HDD is turning but nothing happens in windows and no devices are detecter in the device manager...


My botom line
my old sata/usb controler has a problem and do not work
my old HDD has also a wrong



What do you understand from this "hardware test" ?

and more importantly :

What would you suggest to recover the data ?

Thank's in advance

Cheers

Jo

PS: i haven't try further data recovery utility in order to avoid to exacerbate the problem

[fzabkar]

Short version:

If your board is faulty, and you wish to replace it rather than repair it, then move the HDD ROM from your original board to the replacement board. However, your latest post is suggesting a possible stiction fault, which is something else entirely.


Long version:

I was confused by the subject header which asked about converting the HDD to SATA mode. What I'm saying is that the data may be encrypted, in which case the USB-SATA bridge IC (MB86C311) would be required to decrypt the data. If so, and if you bypass the bridge by way of a direct-to-SATA connection, then your data will be gibberish. However, I now realise that USB-to-SATA conversion was the OP's question, not yours. That's what happens when you hijack someone else's thread.

Others have suggested that you need to transfer the "ROM" from your original board to your replacement board. The ROM stores unique, drive specific information. However, there are two ROMs on the PCB, IC602 and IC606. One is associated with the HDD firmware, whereas the other contains the bridge firmware. I have attempted to determine which is which, but I'm not sure I have it right. On other Toshiba SATA PCBs it is IC602 which is the HDD ROM. I can't see how each ROM's pins are connected, so unless someone can point the HDD ROM out for you, your electrician friend would need to perform some checks. The HDD ROM should be wired to the Marvell MCU (88i9317-RA12), whereas the bridge ROM should be wired to the MB86C311 IC.

Having said that, if the new HDD spins up with your original board, then that usually indicates that the board is mostly OK. However, now you say that your new board is causing the original HDD to produce a repeating "vvvvvtick" sound. That sounds like stiction (heads stuck to platters) or a seized spindle motor. Does the original HDD / PCB combination also produce the same sound?

[cmcraeslo]

Hey guys,

I have the exact same HDD drive with the exact same symptoms. All of the sudden the disk doesn't turn on anymore. I too have important data on the board. How was this issue solved then? Should I just buy another disk with the same board and try to replace it? I already checked the fuse and I got 4.25V on one side and rougly 1.1V on the other side.

[fzabkar]

@cmcraeslo, ISTM that there will be more significant damage after the fuse. I would suggest that a board swap and "ROM" transfer would be your safest approach. There are PCB suppliers who include such a service for free, or who will transfer the chip(s) on your own boards for US$20.

[cmcraeslo]

Which chip exactly is the rom? If its not bga it shouldnt be a problem to change it.

Thanks

[fzabkar]

Which chip exactly is the rom?

In other Toshiba SATA PCBs it is IC602. I'm a little confused with the USB PCB, but I suspect it may in fact be IC602 as well. However, it may be safer to swap both IC602 and IC606, just in case there is a difference in the bridge firmware. Before you do so, test for shorts between the chips' supply pins.

[cmcraeslo]

Hey.
I got a slightly different board (the one that has detachable sata/usb interface - has no IC606), exchanged IC602 and it worked perfectly. Thanks !

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