More consequence of DIY

[beto]

To newbie people

Many times u heard about professional people said, dont tried, dont attempt to did head swap, etc. well here u get why we said that
" consequences of DIY" , at this case another " hands" did a head swap, in a WD case, maybe they see many youtube videos !!!,
then did a head swap , damaging MR heads when they put "new" heads into the platters, the worst was they left heads into the paltters spins ,endless in a unrecoverable case !!

Regards

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[drc]

Yikes

[BlackST]

Beto , don't tell us...

[poehere]

Nice photos but do you think they will listen to you on this one?

[Doomer]

put it as your avatar

[hmnet]

hola beto! me anote en el foro finalmente ja!
tuve un caso similar, pongo foto

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[HeadCrash]

Fzabkar should read this, make a bookmark.

[fzabkar]

Fzabkar should read this, make a bookmark. :D

Believe me, I will. An BTW, I don't believe I've ever suggested that a head stack replacement was in the realms of DIY. In fact I know from personal experience just how meticulous and precarious it can be. I've cleaned up after plenty of overnight head crashes, 25 years ago. In those days there were 20 heads in a stack, and you would spend hours just cleaning the aluminium shavings and head pad debris out of the pack area, and from inside the voice coil magnet. I always felt uneasy just before the first load seek.

[guru]

ah the old days when you could use a crowbar & hacksaw to clean the heads and it would still work.

[hmnet]

hahaha thats true guru!

You dont need to go 20 years in the past, this is one case that we had on 2003, 14 platters, 28 heads, 40 gb, seagate , cant remember the model i think is elite, that thing was a pain in the ass, i think that was one of our best recoverys. We still have it as a souvenir, great pice of hdd history, and looks important to the customers, like ..... this is not a joke!

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[Clusterox]

Hi Alberto,

Don't wonder if customer still believes that he can get it recovered in 99$

[fzabkar]

Maybe this forum needs a parallel thread. I would call it "Successful Consequences of DIY". I have plenty of anecdotes in my mailbox, and plenty of links to other threads in this forum, and in several others.

In fact I "remotely" snipped so many TVS diodes during the past 12 months that my notional DR income could buy me another house.

[hddguy]

In fact I "remotely" snipped so many TVS diodes during the past 12 months that my notional DR income could buy me another house.

If Data Recovery consisted just on TVS repairs, it would be called TVS Recovery. But its not.

This thread was started because a inexperieced user reads forums like this and gets the impression DR is simple. Because of encouragement from others like you. I agree that it is the customers personal choice, but when the odds of DIY repair appear to be in his favour as a result of reading forums and watching youtube videos, despite complications he/she is not aware of, the problem is much much greater.

I really believe this case could have been recovered if it had gone straight to alberto with no DIY attempts. This is why professional opinion is highly recommended. And as for cases that are not so complicated, such as TVS repair, without proper analysis (which most DR firms offer at no obligation!) it is difficult to say if there are other problems.

Anyone in the DR business appreciates the value of user data, whether its family photos, company tax returns or important databases, and this is why professional assistance is suggested for situations where recovery may not be so straight forward.

p.s For someone who feels so strongly about spelling and grammar, what does notional mean?

[fzabkar]

For someone who feels so strongly about spelling and grammar, what does notional mean? :mrgreen:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/notional
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/notional

2. not evident in reality; hypothetical or imaginary - a notional tax credit
3. characteristic of a notion or concept, esp in being speculative or imaginary; abstract

See also http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dictionary

[drc]

Today's winners (second one apparently thought that prying the lid off would be more fun than using a screwdriver):

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[Cleanroom]

Today's winners (second one apparently thought that prying the lid off would be more fun than using a screwdriver):

Tell them to use a dremel next time

[quasimodo]

For someone who feels so strongly about spelling and grammar, what does notional mean?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/notional
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/notional

2. not evident in reality; hypothetical or imaginary - a notional tax credit
3. characteristic of a notion or concept, esp in being speculative or imaginary; abstract

See also http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dictionary

Despite your proven knowledge of electronics your childish posts clearly reflect that you have know idea of what real DR work is. Yes, I would guess that approx. 30 percent of DR cases on single hard drives have do to with electronic faults. And yes in these cases you most likely could recover the data. In addition your advice can help the individual who owns a multimeter and know at least how a soldering station looks like. However what you fail to understand is that not every consumer has the ability to solder. And any encouragement for them to test and learn on their failed hard drive is just bad advice. Also you should point out the risks of removing the TVS. Obviously they are on the PCB for a reason. At a minimum you should warn with a disclaimer that what ever caused the damage of the TVS, can potentialy cause further damage. Next, having people test things without knowing the real problem is a bad idea. If a drive does not spin up, then some of your advice might be good and helpful, however if the drive is clicking, testing and playing around is really not appropriate.

Your vendetta here at the forum is not appropriate and neither are the claims that you make regarding the Data Recovery industry.

1. I don't know anyone who charges $1500.00 to remove a TVS (maybe things are different where you come from)

2. You claim that everyone hear on the forum is a vulture praying on innocent visitors and are trying to take their money. This is absolutely not true. Some hear on the forum offer discounts for visitors knowing that they can not afford the actual cost for recovery work. As for myself and I am sure many others, I must say that I am way to busy and don't have the time nor desire to solicit business from hear. I have enough clients that are willing the pay the price for a decent and reliable recovery.

3. If you would really understand data recovery we would not have to deal with your egotistic rampage. All I hear from you is Data recovery is removing TVS and clicking a few buttons on a PC3K. How nice if this would be the case, then I could go home early instead of spending countless hours on R&D work.

4. If you would do some research and use those neurons for something more productive then
the back and forth with some of the pro's here, then you would quickly find out that DR consists of a multitude of elements and a decent DR engineers needs to at least have a fundamental understanding of Programming, Electronics, Computers/IT, Physics and Mechatronics. Also some basic understanding of chemistry is useful.

P.S. Hopefully we can see some more appreciation form you in the near future. Also I remember when you first appeared on the forum you presented your research on SMART.
Why not do some more research and share with the community rather then playing these games. It get's boring to read this on a constant basis.

[fzabkar]

(1) See this thread:
seagate-7200-component-failure-t16113.html

The OP writes ...

"I snipped off the burnt protection diode and the PC booted fine. I had to change the drive letter but once I did that, all of my information was there! I had taken it to a local recovery shop here in Atlanta and they quoted $1400 to fix a 'physical failure that will require clean room stabilization'".

BTW, here are the consequences of a "professional" data recovery attempt:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff28 ... hoto-5.jpg

See this thread for the owner's tale of woe:
http://community.wdc.com/t5/My-Book-for ... 6292#M1619

(2) I never used the word "vulture". That was an observation by a first-time visitor.

(3) You are confusing egotism with sarcasm. Perhaps intellectually challenged "gurus" need smileys to understand the difference.

(4) When I first appeared at HDD Guru, I was ridiculed and abused. It is disingenous for "gurus" to be crying foul now that the shoe is on the other foot.

[quasimodo]

(1) See this thread:
seagate-7200-component-failure-t16113.html

The OP writes ...

"I snipped off the burnt protection diode and the PC booted fine. I had to change the drive letter but once I did that, all of my information was there! I had taken it to a local recovery shop here in Atlanta and they quoted $1400 to fix a 'physical failure that will require clean room stabilization'".

Just because someone took a drive somewhere that does not mean it was a credible data recovery shop. I certainly could provide at least 15-20 credible DR shops from across the globe which would provide such recoveries for a decent price. And that would just be the one's I could think of from the top of my head. I am sure I could come up with allot more if I put some thought in to it. So...are we not blowing some one's statement way out of line when we equal a local shop in Atlanta as the holy grail for DR prices???

BTW, here are the consequences of a "professional" data recovery attempt:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff28 ... hoto-5.jpg

must be the wrong link, as I don't see any issues. Or do you mean the briged diode? What exactly is the consequence, was the data not recovered, or is it just the aesthetics that are not to your likings?

See this thread for the owner's tale of woe:
http://community.wdc.com/t5/My-Book-for ... 6292#M1619

Well, I can not speak for this company since I have never heard of them. However as more and more information is being shared over the internet, it is no surprise that allot of companies come in to the DR market thinking they can make a quick buck. Of course since there is no regulation for the industry it is in the customers best interest to research a company before sending his/her drive there. We frequently get drives that have been fubared by other so called DR shops which most likely have just a few months of experience and work out of their garage.

The only thing we can do is recommend a decent service for the people who come here to the forum for advice. But obviously you do not agree with this practice.

(2) I never used the word "vulture". That was an observation by a first-time visitor.

Yes, I just used the word since it appears a good fit for the way you have expressed your views and I do not have the time to look at any old posts. So please forgive me for not quoting you verbatim.

(3) You are confusing egotism with sarcasm. Perhaps intellectually challenged "gurus" need smileys to understand the difference.

Well then let's just call it what it is"Pride". You came to the forum and you got your Pride hurt.

(4) When I first appeared at HDD Guru, I was ridiculed and abused. It is disingenous for "gurus" to be crying foul now that the shoe is on the other foot.

I think I told you before that I am sorry to hear that, nevertheless your not showing any maturity either
Most of us, never claimed to be any Guru's. Therefore I don't know why your emphasis is that you have been attacked by the Guru's. As I have said in my previous post, find something productive to do. Whether it's here
or somewhere else.

[fzabkar]

(1) See this thread:
seagate-7200-component-failure-t16113.html

The OP writes ...

"I snipped off the burnt protection diode and the PC booted fine. I had to change the drive letter but once I did that, all of my information was there! I had taken it to a local recovery shop here in Atlanta and they quoted $1400 to fix a 'physical failure that will require clean room stabilization'".

Just because someone took a drive somewhere that does not mean it was a credible data recovery shop. I certainly could provide at least 15-20 credible DR shops from across the globe which would provide such recoveries for a decent price. And that would just be the one's I could think of from the top of my head. I am sure I could come up with allot more if I put some thought in to it. So...are we not blowing some one's statement way out of line when we equal a local shop in Atlanta as the holy grail for DR prices???

BTW, here are the consequences of a "professional" data recovery attempt:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff28 ... hoto-5.jpg

must be the wrong link, as I don't see any issues. Or do you mean the briged diode? What exactly is the consequence, was the data not recovered, or is it just the aesthetics that are not to your likings?

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See this thread for the owner's tale of woe:
http://community.wdc.com/t5/My-Book-for ... 6292#M1619

Well, I can not speak for this company since I have never heard of them. However as more and more information is being shared over the internet, it is no surprise that allot of companies come in to the DR market thinking they can make a quick buck. Of course since there is no regulation for the industry it is in the customers best interest to research a company before sending his/her drive there. We frequently get drives that have been fubared by other so called DR shops which most likely have just a few months of experience and work out of their garage.

The only thing we can do is recommend a decent service for the people who come here to the forum for advice. But obviously you do not agree with this practice.

Believe me, I will certainly advise your potential clients to read this thread. BTW, what is the name of your company? :mrgreen:

(3) You are confusing egotism with sarcasm. Perhaps intellectually challenged "gurus" need smileys to understand the difference. :mrgreen:

Well then let's just call it what it is"Pride". You came to the forum and you got your Pride hurt.

I prefer to call it "Feelings", not "Pride".

As I have said in my previous post, find something productive to do. Whether it's here or somewhere else.

It's clear that at least some of the "gurus", and their clients, could benefit from my help. Maybe it's you who should be considering "something else". :mrgreen: