Your experiences with Data Recovery Courses

[mbatsos]

@poehere,

I mentioned my age, for only one reason but you can not get it.
I never said I have taken many course, but I wanted to show you there are good material out there and that a distance course is not that bad as you want to make it look like.
I show you the forest and you look my finger.
Why can't you see further than your nose?

I supported my case and you answear with general aphorism and no word about the main point.

My grandma used to say : "say words and listen f@rting".

Let the ones who read our positions judge.

[BlackST]

Today I have some spare time so I'll answer... I always have pointed out that no course can replace YOUR will and attitude , and can boost your knowledge until a certain extent. If you want to learn, learn by doing and save money for more useful things (i.e. tools or software). Build your network of colleagues and friendship and partners and - BEHIND CLOSED DOORS - compare, share, discuss. This is my point of view and since I started it has worked wonderful way. If someone doesn't like it, it's not my problem. I sleep and have fun at night the same. Can't make it more clear than this. Period.

[mbatsos]

@BlackST,

Happy you are not hidden behind your finger, Crystal Clear your position.

[SamRoitman]

To MBATSOS: You already received a reply about the DR courses. Scott's course is the best by definition - it is the only one. Since I attended it, I can guarantee it's quality - it is excellent. Just re-read my other postings in this thread. The online course is the videotape of all class lectures (without all questions/answers and diversions). It has a lot of advantages, since you can replay a difficult spot several times, do you own research and send Scott an email or call. You can also buy this course for $300 after the classroom course.

As far as the other "critics" of Scott's course - how can you listen to their answers to your question if they never attended it? What (I think) BlackST and alike are trying to say is that they do not believe in the idea DR courses. Neither do they believe that someone can achieve high professional level after this course - this part is true, but this is not what you are asking. Instead of expressing these very simples logical points, they let this discussion deteriorate to the level whose "house" is bigger...

Sam Roitman
Rescue Your Data Corp.

[BlackST]

Here we go again : I clearly said that instead of spending $3000 I would invest it on myself, i.e. for scrap drives to experiment, tooling, in phone calls or internet connection fees to discuss online with colleagues and friends, valuable books (that cost around $100/150 each... ouch !!) , travel and BUILD UP my own knowledge and this for me would be more satisfactory - just because I am making my tailor made self teaching on my needs. And $3000 is a lot of money.

[hddguy]

Here we go again : I clearly said that instead of spending $3000 I would invest it on myself, i.e. for scrap drives to experiment, tooling, in phone calls or internet connection fees to discuss online with colleagues and friends, valuable books (that cost around $100/150 each... ouch !!) , travel and BUILD UP my own knowledge and this for me would be more satisfactory - just because I am making my tailor made self teaching on my needs. And $3000 is a lot of money.

I think that the regulars here know and respect your opinions, the newbies maybe dont understand you and choose to ignore you making your posts useless to them.

Definately gives us something to grin about though!

[Donk]

Sam, if you liked the course then that is good for you, and Scott - mainly Scott as he is 3 grand better off.

So anyway, just out of interest, which authority have approved this course?

[hddguy]

I wonder how many newbies took the course, and have since ended up in a professional successful DR firm? Im not sure I have met 1 person in a popular and successful DR firm who has attended the course.

Maybe we should all attend the same course at the same time, wouldnt that be fun

[BlackST]

And give big buck$ for what?

[SamRoitman]

To Donk: "By which authority approved the course" do you mean who issues the certification? Or something else? If yes, go to www.rescueyourdata.com and click on "data recovery specialists" in upper left corner. And if your point is that this certification by itself is worthless I totally agree. Just a marketing thing - helps to get couple of drives a month and repay Scott's course sooner. BTW, I paid 4Gs for the course, + tkts, lodging, food, ets... Also, I forgot to mention, if Doomer or BlackST are as talented as the image they project, they could be terrible teachers. Einstein was, for example. Couldn't teach even the foundations of physics if his life depended on it. Scott's course is not for people who are already advanced in DR. He happened to be a good teacher and he certainly knows plenty more then mere foundations of DR.

To hddguy: about people ending up in reputable DR firms after the course: I can only talk for my group. Out of 18 people (who came also from Canada, Europe and Middle East) 1/3 worked for the government - police, etc... The rest have been already working in DR or in general PC support, networking or repair business. All of them (may be with one or two exceptions) worked for themselves or within very small groups. ALL OF THEM WILL DEFEND THIS COURSE. At the same time the same organization that sponsored DR course conducted several other hitech courses in the same locale. Other students walked out, demanded their money back, you name it... I heard later that some students stayed only because they heard about Scott's class. So, at the end, the course is a course, of course, of course, but it is only as good as the instructor.

Sam Roitman
Rescue Your Data Corporation
Sam Roitman
Rescue Your Data Corp

[zebong]

Hi to all ,

Anyone have learn (Course) how to Aligment off heads in a Western digital ?

If Yes i will go and make it , and pay 3.000

[BlackST]

Yes. I teach too. If you mean that I pretend results then yes, I am terrible as teacher, in fact all my students do pass their exams (official certifications, not bullshit). The field is slightly different, but don't worry. You'll hear from me about DR very soon...

[Donk]

Sam you are missing the point ..

The domain for the certificate is held by a private indivudual, not only that ...... ->

Registrant Name:Registration Private

So what value is a 'certificate' from a group that does not want you to know who they are ?

[mbatsos]

@BlackST,
I do not look down on you and I respect you. I am happy about you clarified your position.

I also Like friend Sam,
finnaly it is not that hard to say our opinion about "the quality of a cource".

When some one wants to learn, he need the very first alphabet.
The university does not show you how to solve ALL differential equations on earth.
They show you a method, a general method to solve your problems.
When you finish the university, it is up to you what you will achieve and how succesfull you will be.

You can not expect some one to teach you simultaneously to guarantee, you will be succesfull DR engineer. IMPOSIBLE.

About the money you are talking about, sure it is a respectable amount of money.
Some people can afford this "luxury" some can not.

Personally I thank all that really contrubute into this talk (finaly).
Anyway you guys made me happy.

[SamRoitman]

to Donk: Are you really that thick? THE VALUE IS: TWO-THREE EXTRA DRIVES A MONTH!!! $1000-$1500 EXTRA A MONTH!!! I don't know how I can be clearer than this. You can't get this certificate without going through Scott's class. Period. And the certification body has the website and address. They also certify computer forensics and other specialties. Now, scratch your head and think, how many potential clients could possibly look into the ownership of a domain. Probably very very very very very very very few - just the ones with your personality type... It never entered my mind.

to BlackST: I am glad you have enough integrity to acknowledge that you are a terrible teacher. I wonder, what is it you teach? Why are you just dropping hints and never tell where you work, what you teach, what is your name, what is it we all are going to hear about you and DR soon? What are you afraid of? Or what are you hiding? Unfortunately, I don't know how to search through this forum quickly to find out out what kind of technical advice you have dispensed over the years and the quality of it. I don't have the time to start looking through the forum from the day of your membership - the only bit of info known to me. The only reason I give you benefit of the doubt is that somebody wrote on your behalf. Otherwise, you sound like an opinionated prick with a chip on his shoulder the size of mount Everest. And I am sure that you are a male - no woman would talk like this.

That is how you sound. Now, you could be a brilliant engineer who learned everything the hardest way possible - by making mistakes and rarely having anybody to show the way. If that is the case, then I have a plea. Please, please, don't teach DR to beginners. This is the last thing they need. Rather think about very specific two-three days classes around one or two topics. Something like the questions you asked me: "recovery of a WD 5000 AAKS with seized spindle, circular scratch (fallen usb box) Or a Samsung F1 1TB where GEO and/or tables are unreadable or MC has serious damage ? ACE tools ( the legend of all legends in DR ) can do little and very few people has done independent R&D on the matter. Or what about Quantum drives or MX740 where head compatibility is less than zero? Fireball As with mono head mono platter but...head gone - the rest is ok". I mean very specific topics for very advanced DR people, like the courses Ontrack teaches internally. You could earn very very good money. I think that even moderately successful DR engineer would pay $1000/day for such seminar. And it would be up to you how many people you can handle. And then you could take the show on the road...


Sam Roitman
Rescue Your Data Corporation

[SamRoitman]

To BlackST: I reread my last reply and realized that it could me misunderstood. By specific topics I did not mean them to so specific as I wrote. The topic for a three days seminar could be more general such as "DR of Samsung drives" and "Samsung F1 1TB where GEO and/or tables are unreadable or MC has serious damage" could be part of the outline.


Sam Roitman

Rescue Your Data

[ftds]

ALL OF THEM WILL DEFEND THIS COURSE.

I was present at the same course with Sam and will back up that statement.

I will also say that Scott never at any time indicated that his course would turn anyone into a DR or forensics expert. Nor did he say that the information that the course was providing could not be obtained through self-study. To the contrary, he clearly stated that much time, practice, and dedication would be needed after this course before attempting a serious (as in data-critical) physical recovery of any sort - and that even with this effort, one could not expect to be able to solve all DR cases without specific knowledge and/or tools. The course is simply intended as a stepping stone to help oneself expedite getting through the 'beginner' stage to get on track for more serious study of DR. And for myself and many others in the course it was exactly that.

Regarding the original question, I would simply assert that the extent of success with taking a distance-learning course of any sort will vary from person to person, and even then from course to course. I can vouch for the material (if you are looking for what I described above), and for the instructor (Scott is an excellent teacher and very responsive to emails), but the medium will be a large factor that only you can determine the manner in which it would affect your own learning capabilities.

While I'm taking the time to comment (don't do this often ), I would like to thank all the DR gurus here on this forum for their remarks throughout these threads. I have been following this forum for close to a year now, and the many useful tidbits I have found have contributed greatly toward advancing my own DR research. So despite the many squabbly, grouchy, and conceited posts , I believe you guys really deserve a lot of credit for your contributions.

And I will even go so far to say that I wouldn't entirely blame you for being grouchy / conceited.

[HeadCrash]

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[tyson]

They look like they contain a lot of good information inside of them. How much do they go for?

[BlackST]

UHm... revise the cover... I think it would be DISAPPROVED, not APPROVED...