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Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 8:42

Arco is the only interesting part for me :)

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 8:58

Not a copernican revolution, though :lol:

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 9:03

BlackST wrote:Not a copernican revolution, though :lol:

:good:

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 9:21

eltramsy wrote:so we erase all firmware zone and rebuild original 35 30

it won't be original it will be new and might differ from original

From what I see this tool is more of a "toolbox" full of small "tools". It also comes with a manual/support but that manual/support suggests to use hammer instead of screwdriver and screwdriver instead of scalpel etc. Not a surprise though

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 9:51

8) 8) 8) 8) :D




Doomer wrote:
eltramsy wrote:so we erase all firmware zone and rebuild original 35 30

it won't be original it will be new and might differ from original

From what I see this tool is more of a "toolbox" full of small "tools". It also comes with a manual/support but that manual/support suggests to use hammer instead of screwdriver and screwdriver instead of scalpel etc. Not a surprise though

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 9:59

Doomer wrote:From what I see this tool is more of a "toolbox" full of small "tools". It also comes with a manual/support but that manual/support suggests to use hammer instead of screwdriver and screwdriver instead of scalpel etc. Not a surprise though

Mr. Doomer
with my totally Respect for what are you saying , this tools from my Testing & comparing with it's price , i can say it's good . it's better than salvation toy and less than PC3K in good cost :arrow:

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 10:03

tawfeek_mokhtar wrote:Mr. Doomer
with my totally Respect for what are you saying , this tools from my Testing & comparing with it's price , i can say it's good . it's better than salvation toy and less than PC3K in good cost :arrow:

It is always good to have different people with different opinions

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 11:22

thanks mr tawfeek

i tested dfl work good but need time to understand some fuctions

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 11:57

What's ARCO?

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 15:01

Jar wrote:What's ARCO?

Hi mr.Jar
ARCO is some modules can do that

1:) 6F is Adjust the head, speaking, reading and writing the flying height of power flow

2:) 6A is adjust 03 and 40, speaking, reading and writing,and the head of the cross sequence MRJOG value

3:) 6B is calculation disc rail density

4:) 69 is calculation of the sector density disc

5:) 46 is accurate adjustment and channel parameters

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 3rd, 2012, 15:17

tawfeek_mokhtar wrote:
Jar wrote:What's ARCO?

Hi mr.Jar
ARCO is some modules can do that

1:) 6F is Adjust the head, speaking, reading and writing the flying height of power flow

2:) 6A is adjust 03 and 40, speaking, reading and writing,and the head of the cross sequence MRJOG value

3:) 6B is calculation disc rail density

4:) 69 is calculation of the sector density disc

5:) 46 is accurate adjustment and channel parameters


REALLY sure ? 8)

In any case , all this is totally useless unless you know PERFECTLY who does what and what are the values.
Of course it is NOT explained and all technical information behind RC and TS is not publicly available (fortunately).
Since some time I have read a lot of bullshit about "adjustments" and things like that (for DR purpose) ...
Do they provide for example a COMPLETE list and reference of registers in PA and COMBO and interpretation of the values for all the families, possibly with a description of how the values were computed during calibration ?
Moreover, we have done without for years (for DR), we CAN DO WITHOUT for refurbishing (not my problem to recalculate... :D )

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 2:07

welcome all

yes you are right without known what does it use you will not make any results with soft

arco used in special cases not in all things like green and red in all media and or refurbishing hdd with new fw files and adjusting adaptive in cases cut head 0 and make head 1 as master head and more

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 2:49

Jar wrote:What's ARCO?

I'm guessing ARCO stands for "Automat-ic/-ed Read Channel Optimization".

It appears to be Westen Digital's in-house suite of tests and procedures for calibrating and tuning the read channel, preamplifier, and read/write heads.

AIUI, ARCO calibrates the SA and user areas separately, and it also calibrates the drive at a specific elevated temperature. ARCO determines the best preamp gain settings for each head, optimum jogs, head bias, write current, write precompensation, gaps between read and write head elements, maximum power settings for TFHC heater before head touches the platter (ouch!), optimum VBPI and VTPI settings, and read channel PRML coefficients.

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 3:17

networks wrote:By the way thanks for the review its nice to get this type of information from an experienced recovery person that has actually "tested" the tool.

Ditto.
networks wrote:Also wonder what the "cost" is since the website wants to just send you a quote I don't appreciate that if your going to sell a product list you pricing like most all other vendors do or at least the ones I deal with.

Likewise (although I would have added some punctuation), but in my case I did actually email them. I'm still waiting for a response, though. They must be overwhelmed with enquiries. :P

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 7:08

I filled out quote tool 2 days ago no response since price was not mentioned in the review. Support response will be the same if this is any indicator same BS as the chinese ! I doubt they are covered up with requests due to this thread or otherwise. As a comparison Ace Labs still rocks and is very responsive.

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 8:06

I wonder what people do expect from tools...

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 9:23

BlackST wrote:I wonder what people do expect from tools...


My Dear, I tested it and it is really Good and again n again only for the people who know what they are doing
for repairing (refub.) is excellent even sometimes good for quick diagnosing

I do buy n compare between tools and see/judge which one i can use for such hdd problem

Sometimes you need to keep your Ferrari and Drive your spare KIA for such short trips
but my problem so far i got MANY KIA`S here and still using all of them, their time will come soon or later.

btw, am getting my 2nd. unit of this soon. :roll:

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 15:31

Don't tell ME :lol: .

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 15:56

networks wrote:I filled out quote tool 2 days ago no response since price was not mentioned in the review. Support response will be the same if this is any indicator same BS as the chinese ! I doubt they are covered up with requests due to this thread or otherwise. As a comparison Ace Labs still rocks and is very responsive.

"DFL_WDII Firmware Repair Hardware Tool-Shipping Cost Included - $650.00":
http://www.datarecoverytools.co.uk/stor ... dware-tool

User Manual (not very detailed):
http://www.datarecoverytools.co.uk/drsd ... Manual.rar

The following article seems to suggest that "NHPA-recover the LBA of original disk" is a "unique feature": :?
http://www.datarecoverytools.co.uk/2012 ... -recovery/

BTW, I can't find any pricing on the Ace Labs web site (I can see an "Order Now" link, but no prices"), so if anyone is going to bag the suppliers of the DFL tool on that basis, then they should do the same for Ace Labs.

Re: DFL for WD Judgment

May 4th, 2012, 16:15

BlackST wrote:Don't tell ME :lol: .


Wanna Bet? :wink:
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