Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 17th, 2009, 4:13
Still it is funny 
Why am I accused of something dishonest?? I just give my point of view. This place seems to be the place where people can express their opinions. It is not pleasant when I spend time writing my thoughts and then I am accused of incorrect thoughts. It is just my opinion and it can't be incorrect. Facts can be incorrects, opinions not. Though as I now see they can be...
Money fan,
I have never written that other products are utter crap. I just gave the true facts I encountered during my job. And I am do happy using PC-3000. Why shall I hide it?
The conclusion: IMHO (I am afraid now I need to write it each time ) if a topic is discussed, it deserves attention because people want to know more about it.
Why am I accused of something dishonest?? I just give my point of view. This place seems to be the place where people can express their opinions. It is not pleasant when I spend time writing my thoughts and then I am accused of incorrect thoughts. It is just my opinion and it can't be incorrect. Facts can be incorrects, opinions not. Though as I now see they can be...Money fan,
I bought Atola Insight and I am so happy with it and all other products are utter crap
I have never written that other products are utter crap. I just gave the true facts I encountered during my job. And I am do happy using PC-3000. Why shall I hide it?
The conclusion: IMHO (I am afraid now I need to write it each time
) if a topic is discussed, it deserves attention because people want to know more about it.
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 17th, 2009, 4:27
This is an email from one of my client and he is going to purchase Atola:
we do data recovery business, Atola insight is a new product of data recovery industry, and I read hddguru forum, I am very respect Dmitry Postrigan, and I also read yesterday Dmitry post on hddguru forum about ACE Lab guys promo their products with dishonorable way. As data recovery business is a very new business and need all kinds of tools, and all tools have their own advantage to solve the data recovery problem, and we can learn from each other. I am sincerely interesting Atola Insight, if this is a good product why you worry about people asking about price and warranty, tech support information.
Right now we have ACE Labs PC 3000 udma and deepspar Disk Imager, we also have Salvation Data products, now we want have one of Atola Insight. AS Dmitry yesterday post,” It is obvious that PC3000 (Ace product) and Atola Insight (our product) are very different and aimed at different markets. Many of our customers use Atola Insight together with other products and they are very happy with their choice to use both products.” I want be a happy choice person.
I want people do data recovery can have ACE Labs tools, Dmitry’s tools if they can affort , and Salvation Data tools if you want cheaper and easier solutions. Our purpose is let data recovery industry get forward, and prosperity. Tools 1+1+1 are bigger then 3.
Guys! Be wise and Open your mind. Don't waste your time on this kind of dishonorable business way!
Regards
Laura
we do data recovery business, Atola insight is a new product of data recovery industry, and I read hddguru forum, I am very respect Dmitry Postrigan, and I also read yesterday Dmitry post on hddguru forum about ACE Lab guys promo their products with dishonorable way. As data recovery business is a very new business and need all kinds of tools, and all tools have their own advantage to solve the data recovery problem, and we can learn from each other. I am sincerely interesting Atola Insight, if this is a good product why you worry about people asking about price and warranty, tech support information.
Right now we have ACE Labs PC 3000 udma and deepspar Disk Imager, we also have Salvation Data products, now we want have one of Atola Insight. AS Dmitry yesterday post,” It is obvious that PC3000 (Ace product) and Atola Insight (our product) are very different and aimed at different markets. Many of our customers use Atola Insight together with other products and they are very happy with their choice to use both products.” I want be a happy choice person.
I want people do data recovery can have ACE Labs tools, Dmitry’s tools if they can affort , and Salvation Data tools if you want cheaper and easier solutions. Our purpose is let data recovery industry get forward, and prosperity. Tools 1+1+1 are bigger then 3.
Guys! Be wise and Open your mind. Don't waste your time on this kind of dishonorable business way!
Regards
Laura
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 19th, 2009, 3:00
Laura, but shouldn't emails meant to be private (unless the sender says I AUTHORIZE TO PUBLISH THE CONTENT) ? Just curious.
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 19th, 2009, 3:30
Gotcha!! Enough said Laura, you are no different to ACE, spammed this forum before. 
Enough said Laura, you are no different to ACE, spammed this forum before.
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 20th, 2009, 16:50
Hi Friends,
At here Laura is right and also some emotional as many times we purchase diffrent tools for logical data recovery as some time some software recover the perfect data but some software cant get as every software is having diffrent algorithm with diffrent brain so as we are applyng with logical data recovery software we are also having diffrent firmware utilities to recover the data back as after getting any tool we are increase our knowledgebase with some our own methods and also with our long experience..
At here Laura is right and also some emotional as many times we purchase diffrent tools for logical data recovery as some time some software recover the perfect data but some software cant get as every software is having diffrent algorithm with diffrent brain so as we are applyng with logical data recovery software we are also having diffrent firmware utilities to recover the data back as after getting any tool we are increase our knowledgebase with some our own methods and also with our long experience..
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 20th, 2009, 17:08
But Friends orignal Software /Brain is always good not any copied one as the copied one always give you problems including harm with Data ,as pirated windows or any thing..as copied versions is not having any creation or any thing to precept the data and all or any fruitful directions or to rectification the problems in proper way..as the bugs are still there at copied version..
But all the tools are good to use as every body is having the right to purchase or not..but try anything is not bad with this data recovery field if we are here to rectify the problems with our lot of problems with rectifications in this field..
But all the tools are good to use as every body is having the right to purchase or not..but try anything is not bad with this data recovery field if we are here to rectify the problems with our lot of problems with rectifications in this field..
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 21st, 2009, 1:57
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 24th, 2009, 9:42
Dear all HDDguru participants!
From time to time we visit this forum because we know that many our customers meet here.
This time we were highly surprised by the things which are happening here.
We are interested by this topic, as it shows the current situation observed in the data recovery market.
New companies, some new products and methodics appear, inevitably causing the necessity to compare them. Very often these comparisons tend to be incorrect and biased.
We always used to be neutral and do not enter this type of discussions, but when the interests of our customers and our interests are infringed, we can't keep silence and are forced to reply now.
We disagree with the statements:
Our company as the pioneer in developing and supplying HDD repair and data recovery products is very loyal to all users of our products. We clearly understand that the main thing for them is to recover data. And our aim is to help them as much as we can. Of course, it is clear that our customers use different products in their job. There were even the cases when the customers who own another products used to contact our technical support team asking for help and we give it to them because still they are our customers.
The basis of our products and all our policies is to make really useful and fair things. Our customers know all these principles. We are convinced that any marketing policy should not touch the interests of the other companies because it is incorrect way of doing business, unlike the other companies, who find it quite acceptable.
We mean the team of Salvation Data company. Our customers flood us with these types of questions, they sent us the direct indications on copying our technologies, our products, our websites, our manuals. Many of them have strong doubts about the Chinese origin of these products. So do we.
Taking into account, all these facts we still do not fight with anyone, we consider it is more important to make the good tools and support. Everyone is responsible for the things they do, we do the products and we are responsible for it.
Anyway, we respect HDDguru forum and all its participants because it brings the good for the customers and it is one more place where they can discuss their interests. Indeed, recently we have noticed that many unjustified analogues and statements appear about PC-3000 and the other products. But we think that the only way out is to make our products even better and more profound, and not to make the marketing policy aggressive, not speaking about any unjustified claims!!! We won't trace the details of these accusations because we find it unreasonable.
If we now are posting here, we cannot but thank all our customers and supporters who say things about positive about our products.
We have more than 2000 of constant reliable customers who use PC-3000 daily in their business. Each of them is different, each of them is the individual, each of them has various viewpoints. They all are the most precious we have. And if anyone of them finds useful our technologies, then we are totally sure that the work which we have been doing for 18 years is not in vain.
Thank you,
ACE Lab team
From time to time we visit this forum because we know that many our customers meet here.
This time we were highly surprised by the things which are happening here.
We are interested by this topic, as it shows the current situation observed in the data recovery market.
New companies, some new products and methodics appear, inevitably causing the necessity to compare them. Very often these comparisons tend to be incorrect and biased.
We always used to be neutral and do not enter this type of discussions, but when the interests of our customers and our interests are infringed, we can't keep silence and are forced to reply now.
We disagree with the statements:
Attacked? Actually we have not mentioned that situation publicly until now but we now understand that is the only way to answer the ungrounded accusations. Some time ago the distributors of Atola product used to make the mass distribution of shady comparison tables where evidently pretended minuses of PC-3000 and pluses of Atola were given. Many our customers informed us that they received such letters. And the customers were fed up over asking for the truth and doubts if they can believe it. We were forced to raise the questions about the legitimate information and send the letters about copyright infringement. Even now we do not know who conducted that comparative «analysis». Not to speak about the fact that our claims are left unanswered till the current moment. Where actually were attacks???Our distributors were attacked and threatened by Ace Lab
During the whole time period when our company exists nobody accused us of being aggressive, vice versa many our customers ask us why you are so patient and calm. The main and the only aim of our company is to perfect our products and make them more useful for the customers' business. We are sure that the quality of products is more important than advertisement.Ace Lab is very aggressive for absolutely no reason.
Our company as the pioneer in developing and supplying HDD repair and data recovery products is very loyal to all users of our products. We clearly understand that the main thing for them is to recover data. And our aim is to help them as much as we can. Of course, it is clear that our customers use different products in their job. There were even the cases when the customers who own another products used to contact our technical support team asking for help and we give it to them because still they are our customers.
The basis of our products and all our policies is to make really useful and fair things. Our customers know all these principles. We are convinced that any marketing policy should not touch the interests of the other companies because it is incorrect way of doing business, unlike the other companies, who find it quite acceptable.
We mean the team of Salvation Data company. Our customers flood us with these types of questions, they sent us the direct indications on copying our technologies, our products, our websites, our manuals. Many of them have strong doubts about the Chinese origin of these products. So do we.
Taking into account, all these facts we still do not fight with anyone, we consider it is more important to make the good tools and support. Everyone is responsible for the things they do, we do the products and we are responsible for it.
Anyway, we respect HDDguru forum and all its participants because it brings the good for the customers and it is one more place where they can discuss their interests. Indeed, recently we have noticed that many unjustified analogues and statements appear about PC-3000 and the other products. But we think that the only way out is to make our products even better and more profound, and not to make the marketing policy aggressive, not speaking about any unjustified claims!!! We won't trace the details of these accusations because we find it unreasonable.
If we now are posting here, we cannot but thank all our customers and supporters who say things about positive about our products.
We have more than 2000 of constant reliable customers who use PC-3000 daily in their business. Each of them is different, each of them is the individual, each of them has various viewpoints. They all are the most precious we have. And if anyone of them finds useful our technologies, then we are totally sure that the work which we have been doing for 18 years is not in vain.
Thank you,
ACE Lab team
Re: Dishonorable business practices
June 28th, 2009, 14:08
[quote=\"ACE team\"]Dear all HDDguru participants!
From time to time we visit this forum because we know that many our customers meet here.
This time we were highly surprised by the things which are happening here.
We are interested by this topic, as it shows the current situation observed in the data recovery market.
New companies, some new products and methodics appear, inevitably causing the necessity to compare them. Very often these comparisons tend to be incorrect and biased.
We always used to be neutral and do not enter this type of discussions, but when the interests of our customers and our interests are infringed, we can\'t keep silence and are forced to reply now.
We disagree with the statements:
Our company as the pioneer in developing and supplying HDD repair and data recovery products is very loyal to all users of our products. We clearly understand that the main thing for them is to recover data. And our aim is to help them as much as we can. Of course, it is clear that our customers use different products in their job. There were even the cases when the customers who own another products used to contact our technical support team asking for help and we give it to them because still they are our customers.
The basis of our products and all our policies is to make really useful and fair things. Our customers know all these principles. We are convinced that any marketing policy should not touch the interests of the other companies because it is incorrect way of doing business, unlike the other companies, who find it quite acceptable.
We mean the team of Salvation Data company. Our customers flood us with these types of questions, they sent us the direct indications on copying our technologies, our products, our websites, our manuals. Many of them have strong doubts about the Chinese origin of these products. So do we.
Taking into account, all these facts we still do not fight with anyone, we consider it is more important to make the good tools and support. Everyone is responsible for the things they do, we do the products and we are responsible for it.
Anyway, we respect HDDguru forum and all its participants because it brings the good for the customers and it is one more place where they can discuss their interests. Indeed, recently we have noticed that many unjustified analogues and statements appear about PC-3000 and the other products. But we think that the only way out is to make our products even better and more profound, and not to make the marketing policy aggressive, not speaking about any unjustified claims!!! We won\'t trace the details of these accusations because we find it unreasonable.
If we now are posting here, we cannot but thank all our customers and supporters who say things about positive about our products.
We have more than 2000 of constant reliable customers who use PC-3000 daily in their business. Each of them is different, each of them is the individual, each of them has various viewpoints. They all are the most precious we have. And if anyone of them finds useful our technologies, then we are totally sure that the work which we have been doing for 18 years is not in vain.
Thank you,
ACE Lab team[/quote]
ACE Team ,
Nonesense About Salvation Data ,OK Here Listen To this If You Have To Open the Logic Board Of the HDD You Have To Take a Screwdriver ,open the Nuts and then Lift the Board Up .Fine You did It First and Wrote a Software ,a Manual Etc etc ,Now Salvation Data Makes The Same thing Writes the Software ,Writes the Manual and you Accuse Salvation Data Of Copying Your Work \"NONESENSE\" .If Some HDD Internal Logic has to work in a particular logic and someone Else Writes Code For the Same To work on the hdd you accuse him of copying your work .I Have all Salvation Data Doctor suites ,they Work Much Better then Before And every few months they get better and better .Is Salvation Data Cloning PC-300 And Selling in china and the world \"NOOOOOOOOOOO\" .So Stop Crying .You Like to finish Salvation Data Lower Your Price and Its finished PERIOD
From time to time we visit this forum because we know that many our customers meet here.
This time we were highly surprised by the things which are happening here.
We are interested by this topic, as it shows the current situation observed in the data recovery market.
New companies, some new products and methodics appear, inevitably causing the necessity to compare them. Very often these comparisons tend to be incorrect and biased.
We always used to be neutral and do not enter this type of discussions, but when the interests of our customers and our interests are infringed, we can\'t keep silence and are forced to reply now.
We disagree with the statements:
Attacked? Actually we have not mentioned that situation publicly until now but we now understand that is the only way to answer the ungrounded accusations. Some time ago the distributors of Atola product used to make the mass distribution of shady comparison tables where evidently pretended minuses of PC-3000 and pluses of Atola were given. Many our customers informed us that they received such letters. And the customers were fed up over asking for the truth and doubts if they can believe it. We were forced to raise the questions about the legitimate information and send the letters about copyright infringement. Even now we do not know who conducted that comparative «analysis». Not to speak about the fact that our claims are left unanswered till the current moment. Where actually were attacks???Our distributors were attacked and threatened by Ace Lab
During the whole time period when our company exists nobody accused us of being aggressive, vice versa many our customers ask us why you are so patient and calm. The main and the only aim of our company is to perfect our products and make them more useful for the customers\' business. We are sure that the quality of products is more important than advertisement.Ace Lab is very aggressive for absolutely no reason.
Our company as the pioneer in developing and supplying HDD repair and data recovery products is very loyal to all users of our products. We clearly understand that the main thing for them is to recover data. And our aim is to help them as much as we can. Of course, it is clear that our customers use different products in their job. There were even the cases when the customers who own another products used to contact our technical support team asking for help and we give it to them because still they are our customers.
The basis of our products and all our policies is to make really useful and fair things. Our customers know all these principles. We are convinced that any marketing policy should not touch the interests of the other companies because it is incorrect way of doing business, unlike the other companies, who find it quite acceptable.
We mean the team of Salvation Data company. Our customers flood us with these types of questions, they sent us the direct indications on copying our technologies, our products, our websites, our manuals. Many of them have strong doubts about the Chinese origin of these products. So do we.
Taking into account, all these facts we still do not fight with anyone, we consider it is more important to make the good tools and support. Everyone is responsible for the things they do, we do the products and we are responsible for it.
Anyway, we respect HDDguru forum and all its participants because it brings the good for the customers and it is one more place where they can discuss their interests. Indeed, recently we have noticed that many unjustified analogues and statements appear about PC-3000 and the other products. But we think that the only way out is to make our products even better and more profound, and not to make the marketing policy aggressive, not speaking about any unjustified claims!!! We won\'t trace the details of these accusations because we find it unreasonable.
If we now are posting here, we cannot but thank all our customers and supporters who say things about positive about our products.
We have more than 2000 of constant reliable customers who use PC-3000 daily in their business. Each of them is different, each of them is the individual, each of them has various viewpoints. They all are the most precious we have. And if anyone of them finds useful our technologies, then we are totally sure that the work which we have been doing for 18 years is not in vain.
Thank you,
ACE Lab team[/quote]
ACE Team ,
Nonesense About Salvation Data ,OK Here Listen To this If You Have To Open the Logic Board Of the HDD You Have To Take a Screwdriver ,open the Nuts and then Lift the Board Up .Fine You did It First and Wrote a Software ,a Manual Etc etc ,Now Salvation Data Makes The Same thing Writes the Software ,Writes the Manual and you Accuse Salvation Data Of Copying Your Work \"NONESENSE\" .If Some HDD Internal Logic has to work in a particular logic and someone Else Writes Code For the Same To work on the hdd you accuse him of copying your work .I Have all Salvation Data Doctor suites ,they Work Much Better then Before And every few months they get better and better .Is Salvation Data Cloning PC-300 And Selling in china and the world \"NOOOOOOOOOOO\" .So Stop Crying .You Like to finish Salvation Data Lower Your Price and Its finished PERIOD
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 14:42
Hi Friend,
Dont comparision inbitween Heaven and Hell and please dont INBITWEEN the products as i am also the user of both of the products but one is heaven for my data recovery requirements and and one is waistaige of my preciece time with my valued money...
so dont make you as an INBITWEEN..as i dont think you are or you cant check the heaven and waste the time or your valuable money with some wasteful product ..as may be you are right ..Always with You
Dont comparision inbitween Heaven and Hell and please dont INBITWEEN the products as i am also the user of both of the products but one is heaven for my data recovery requirements and and one is waistaige of my preciece time with my valued money...
so dont make you as an INBITWEEN..as i dont think you are or you cant check the heaven and waste the time or your valuable money with some wasteful product ..as may be you are right ..Always with You
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 15:34
What's HEAVEN and what's HELL then PRECISELY for you ? I mean who is HEAVEN and WHO IS HELL and "waistaige of my preciece time with my valued money..."
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 15:57
Hi Friend,
You are Hell of this forum with more than 2500 posts including not with perfect answers..not ANYBODYELSE..as you are a SENIOR MEMBER of this foroum but your answers are always like this...
You are Hell of this forum with more than 2500 posts including not with perfect answers..not ANYBODYELSE..as you are a SENIOR MEMBER of this foroum but your answers are always like this...
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 17:01
Aaaaaah !! When we will need some perfect answers then we know exactly who to ask !
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 17:21
Oh Man ,
i Sense Dr Arora Again ,Secondly I Am a User Of \"Your Heaven\" And \"My Hell\" So I Know What the Hell i Am Talking About .I Was Just not Very Active Here Thats It .
i Sense Dr Arora Again ,Secondly I Am a User Of \"Your Heaven\" And \"My Hell\" So I Know What the Hell i Am Talking About .I Was Just not Very Active Here Thats It .
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 17:36
O.K...BlackST wrote:Aaaaaah !! When we will need some perfect answers then we know exactly who to ask !
Hi Friend ,
After Aaaaaah ...we can get wow.. thats simple after geting the Aaaaaah so i just share my experirnce before Aaaaaah so beware with Aaaah and BLACK of this forum as i am not against /pro /any product as i just share my thoguhts.....as i am the user of the both of the products including more than that...
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 17:50
Hi Friend,Amarbir wrote:Oh Man ,
i Sense Dr Arora Again ,Secondly I Am a User Of \"Your Heaven\" And \"My Hell\" So I Know What the Hell i Am Talking About .I Was Just not Very Active Here Thats It .
You are become to bee like as per your answer .. please make some sensabile answers not to be pro with any company... as i am not against and pro with any company lets the FORUM is judge...
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 1st, 2009, 18:19
Hi Friends,
I Just check to Mr AMARBIR/capablities and having the clonened pci version pci versions sorry with older ver with chinenese versions only and thats the only and only person to promote with that cheap /pirated version to promote at this market but we always say ORGINAL is ALWAYS GOOD BE AWARE with PIRATED...
I Just check to Mr AMARBIR/capablities and having the clonened pci version pci versions sorry with older ver with chinenese versions only and thats the only and only person to promote with that cheap /pirated version to promote at this market but we always say ORGINAL is ALWAYS GOOD BE AWARE with PIRATED...
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 12th, 2009, 23:57
I dont remember Laura saying she was just a buyer or user of SalvationData products. She has always said she worked for them. The point of this thread was these people portrayed themselves to be something they are not, "A user of pc3000. Expressing their opinions without gaining financial benefit from the company."HeadCrash wrote:Gotcha!!
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 13th, 2009, 3:32
I dont remember Laura saying she was just a buyer or user of SalvationData products. She has always said she worked for them. The point of this thread was these people portrayed themselves to be something they are not, "A user of pc3000. Expressing their opinions without gaining financial benefit from the company."
Again and the same. It will be good to read all comments and answeres in the thread before writing an answer, not to make Merry-go-round.
It's no need for me to repeat one and the same words. But if I could get any financial help for my words, I would be just happy and wouldn't be lazy to repeat them
Re: Dishonorable business practices
July 13th, 2009, 4:55
Money fan wrote:I dont remember Laura saying she was just a buyer or user of SalvationData products. She has always said she worked for them. The point of this thread was these people portrayed themselves to be something they are not, "A user of pc3000. Expressing their opinions without gaining financial benefit from the company."
Again and the same. It will be good to read all comments and answeres in the thread before writing an answer, not to make Merry-go-round.
It's no need for me to repeat one and the same words. But if I could get any financial help for my words, I would be just happy and wouldn't be lazy to repeat them
Well, you see, I actually did read the whole post. And, once again, your missing the point.
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