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[fzabkar]

Apparently you missed the entire point and took my metaphor out of context.

Scott's "secrets" as you call them are readily available on the internet for anyone to Google.

The fact is that almost everything is treated as a secret on this forum, no matter how trivial. ISTM that if I weren't responding to any of the DIY questions, then most would remain unanswered. In fact one of your own colleagues has privately expressed her concern that I'm revealing too much. This begs the question, since I'm not a data recovery professional, or even an amateur for that matter, how can any information I provide possibly constitute a secret?

I would suggest to anyone watching HDD Guru that they should compare the information content of the posts in earlier years to that which is the norm for today.

[thatdellguy]

We're not at all concerned with your posts fzabkar. You’re free to post whatever you like. We're concerned with all the DIY crap we get in and turn out to be unrecoverable due to sloppy recovery attempts. You think you’re helping people now but when they finally break down and seek professional help you’re really doing them a disservice. I've heard several times "I saw a video on YouTube", "I used Scotts tutorials", "I read it from a forum", and so on. It’s difficult to tell people that there drive was recoverable until they tried some DIY attempt. If you were actually in the DR field you would change your tune.

[fzabkar]

If you were actually in the DR field you would change your tune.

That's where you're wrong. I could never be like you.

[BlackST]

What people consider 'valuable data' 90 percent of time is just porn and warez or so, so maybe the diy destructive attempts have also a sanitizing effect and keep economy running with new drives and internet fees !!

[scratchy]

Secrets ? Secrets ?

These are the most basic principles of data recovery. If you know absolutely nothing about data recovery then you will learn something, but probably no more than you could pick up in the public areas of this and other forums on the web.

[mydata.pl]

Most of so called secrets are just methods gathered or bought from real DR researchers. It's obvious that people who do not have skill, knowledge or tools will not share the information. Information (or 'secrets') means money, so they won't give it away for free, even when they got it for free.
Great example of such behaviour was 7200.11 0LBA/CC problem. When we published information for free (on yura.projektas.lt) we saw who is who in DR business, not only in Poland, but in the whole world. It was unthinkable that most of DR waited for PC3k update, already saw all this money from such easy cases and then boom - people can do it for free thanks to us. It really showed who is a DR researcher and who is just moneymaker
I will quote Dmitry Postrigan on this:
"I really do not think that we should or even can prevent the information like this to spread out. We, the data recovery industry, cannot and should not police the internet and kill information by all means. If someone's business really depends on information like this that much, then it is definitely some very flawed kind of business."

There is also other side of 'information sharing'. If some terminal commands can (and should!) be shared, it's a mistake to give any advices on physical DR. It's not because of money, it's because of customer's data! We've seen to many cases, as described above by thatdellguy, when people brought HDDs damaged so badly that they couldn't understand that it's extremely difficult to even start data recovery process. Two examples:
http://mydata.pl/nic-na-sile
http://mydata.pl/nic-na-sile-cz-2

All those YT videos about changing platters, heads and encouraging people to mess with their damaged HDDs are just making people do things they will almost always regret.

[guru]

Maybe someone should post Scotts course material? It is a free world after all....

[mydata.pl]

Guess we did very bad thing publishing our own research...

[guru]

No nothing wrong if it's your own You were just a bit later than the PC3000 release which supported 0 LBA Fix

Do you have anything new to publish since your research or did you only R&D the easy fix?

How much business did you get via the "Data Recovery" link at the bottom of the page?

[mydata.pl]

Why did you take it personally?
Who did the published research was settled a long time ago and I think this post by Dmitry says it all:
tutorial-resolve-lba-seagate-7200-bios-don-recognize-t11040.html#p70361
We give new information away on a daily basis, but in Polish. We don't loose customers just because computer geeks are not our intended consumers...
And we got like millions of new customers from the link!

[BlackST]

"millions of new customers" .... did you mean exactly "dozens of clicks" or "dozens of unique visitors" from the link.... come on...

[guru]

Chesh !

Personaly? Maybe I was a little harsh. I'm just tired of the celestial hyperbole


Anyway, good reply. Honesty is a rare commodity !


And we got like millions of new customers from the link! [/quote]

[fzabkar]

Most of so called secrets are just methods gathered or bought from real DR researchers. It's obvious that people who do not have skill, knowledge or tools will not share the information. Information (or 'secrets') means money, so they won't give it away for free, even when they got it for free.
Great example of such behaviour was 7200.11 0LBA/CC problem. When we published information for free (on yura.projektas.lt) we saw who is who in DR business, not only in Poland, but in the whole world. It was unthinkable that most of DR waited for PC3k update, already saw all this money from such easy cases and then boom - people can do it for free thanks to us. It really showed who is a DR researcher and who is just moneymaker ;)

Information wants to be free. Kudos to you.

My impression of the DR profession is that the vast majority rely on their tools to do their thinking for them. AFAICT, only about 2% have any electronics knowledge at all, and very few understand even the most basic concepts about file systems. You wouldn't send your TV to be repaired by someone who didn't understand the difference between a resistor and a capacitor, yet, incredible as it may seem, these are the very people that are messing with your precious data.

[Doomer]

My impression of the DR profession is that the vast majority rely on their tools to do their thinking for them. AFAICT, only about 2% have any electronics knowledge at all, and very few understand even the most basic concepts about file systems.

I assume you judging because you consider yourself an expert in these topics
Can you tell me differences between MCU and DSP?
Also can you answer why modern hard drive PCBs do not utilize electrolytic capacitors?

Can you tell us differences between EXT2 and EXT3 except the journal?

[fzabkar]

I assume you judging because you consider yourself an expert in these topics

You assume wrong. I have never claimed to be an expert. In fact I dislike the word almost as much as I dislike the term "guru".

As for judging, you only need to observe this forum. The conclusion is self evident.

As for your questions, are these in the Data Recovery Accreditation Exam? If so, then I'll bear them in mind if I ever decide to hang out my shingle as a data recovery expert.

Q: Can you tell me differences between MCU and DSP?
A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcontroller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signal_processor

Q: Also can you answer why modern hard drive PCBs do not utilize electrolytic capacitors?
A: They are not needed.

Q: Can you tell us differences between EXT2 and EXT3 except the journal?
A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2

[guru]

One of the problems with the Internet is the facelessness of the whole process. It enables people to have an anonymous alter-ego (a second self) a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.


Expert, pro or Guru? It is only a perspective which is open to incomputable interpretation.

I think I am an expert cook even though my wife would say I cannot boil an egg.

[Doomer]

You assume wrong. I have never claimed to be an expert. In fact I dislike the word almost as much as I dislike the term "guru".
As for judging, you only need to observe this forum. The conclusion is self evident.

That's what I thought
Mastering wiki doesn't make you extraordinary.
I think you should understand that your judgment in this case is pure hypocrisy

[dobrevjetser]

Its not because we have an encyclopedia on a subject that we understand the subject...

[pcimage]

Not even "encyclopaedia" but a "wikipedia" = bollocks

[craig6928]

Not even "encyclopaedia" but a "wikipedia" = bollocks