Your experiences with Data Recovery Courses

[BlackST]

Still waiting for an answer to my post...

[Daisy Woo]

Sam,

Sorry mate, but you are not the target, it is the course.. And the certification course.

What did you learn about ESD procedures?
What did you learn about Cleanroom procedures?
About cleaning drives prior to disassembly?

The above are the most important aspects of mechanical DR. To build a 'cleanbox' without testing it is a joke.

There are those that say a 'cleanroom is a total waste of money' to those I say It is your customers data you are messing with, not you belief. If it were the case that a clean air environment is not neciessary, then why do the manufacturers go through all the trouble and expense ?

[BlackST]

Because they haven't known these courses yet.

[Olive]

I just want to say : Scott is really excellent. Every one who hold the training in Data Recovery and share with people their experience and knowledge in this field are awesome and need to be respected.
Everyone who do not share will not grow up and always will be locked in a small hourse with old and out of dated things in braid.

Thanks

[BlackST]

Olive, why don't you answer to my post, then? Or give an answer to other posts here? You should know the answers and share, share, share...

[harddrivespecialist]

To Olive:

For some reason, I always thought professional is the one who knows what he/she is doing and doing it very well.

To BlackST:

Don't expect your questions answered...
They have their own questions to ask and expect you to answer them.
Did you see them answering any questions?... No!... because they just need answers!

Did you notice first post by Scott?

He blames everyone on this forum for not telling people step by step solutions, taking money for recovery services (as you should do that for free, regardless of how much time and money you have invested into equipment, software and tools and etc.)

In other words, he is trying to get free info, but on his end he will charge people for his classes. Brilliant idea!

[Olive]

Olive, why don't you answer to my post, then? Or give an answer to other posts here? You should know the answers and share, share, share...

I think I have the right to post answer or post my opinion where or what I like and which I prefer. Why I need always answer your questions? No need indeed.

Actually, I know one thing in truth is why I seldom post any idea here because I do not want to judge who is the better and who is the worse or who is the professional and who is the newbie. Everyone has his own merit and shortcoming. Anyway, just be kind to everyone and make your own things well to be a really professional. To be unbiased and to be generous is essence.

Hope you can understand, professional always!

Regards

[harddrivespecialist]

I think I have the right to post answer or post my opinion where or what I like and which I prefer. Why I need always answer your questions? No need indeed.

You just made an excellent point!

It is up to a person to answer or not to answer any questions! Can you blame one for that?

[Doomer]

Hello Doomer. Could you point me to this forum? Is it still existing? I can read in Russian and maybe i can learn some useful information in that forum.
Thanks.

NP - http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=11:36520
enjoy

[BlackST]

It depends if you have answers or not.

[Daisy Woo]

Everyone who do not share will not grow up and always will be locked in a small hourse with old and out of dated things in braid.

Only if you are totally dependent upon shared information rather than that got from hard work using research.. What happens when your sources dry up? You end up in the small house with outdated things in braid (whatever that means)..

[BlackST]

I will share some of my know how. Just give me $3000 too. I will enlarge my not so small house... ROTFL.

[SamRoitman]

@BlackST: This is the thread about Scott's online course. I don't want to sound unprofessional, but you really force me to. You really need house enlargement. I don't know the details, but $3,000 might fall short...

As far as the cases you describe - they are very complicated. I am not sure I would be able to recover them on my own. I probably would send them to Scott - as I sometimes do in very complex recoveries or when I am afraid to take responsibility (like the person's "whole life" is on that disk). I understand your unbearable desire to make data recovery a closed field - Lasciate ogni speranza, voi c'entrate! (that is if you really live in Italy and bothered to learn some), but the train is gone, thanks to people like Scott. And there will be others. Why don't you think of a good advanced course in clean room recoveries?

To Daisy Woo and others: Scott covers all these procedures in the class - not in depth, but enough to get started - see the outline on his website. Please re-read my posting before posting yours - I suggest a glove box only as a temporary measure to practice head and platters swaps - nothing more - before spending money on a real enclosure. Most of DR guys I met in Russia, India and Thailand work without anything. I suspect many gurus on this forum do as well. Especially those hiding in labs, without any web address... They manage somehow...

To Steve: You will never find an opinion on Scott's online course, except from people who never took it. In which case it is worthless. It is just too early. I don't know if Scott even sold any. And if he did, people are probably taking their time to go through it.

[thatdellguy]

Why take a class when you can get live help now?

http://www.liveperson.com/expert/comput ... n/?thid=44

[guru]

This is just a joke thread?

The quote of the day is "There is no magic in data recovery" ROLMFAO who lost their brain and flushed it down the sh1tta?

I really want to give Scott a BJ as he seems so good ...








BJ = Bad Job ;o)

[scratchy]

There is no magic in Data Recovery - are you for real ???
Of course there is Magic in data recovery.

Does no one use Essence of Thestral Tail Hair anymore ?

http://www.alivans.com/custom/cart/edit0.asp?p=96976

[Doomer]

Does no one use Essence of Thestral Tail Hair anymore ?

http://www.alivans.com/custom/cart/edit0.asp?p=96976

That's my favorite tool for hard cases

[BlackST]

NOOOOOOO !!! SECRET REVEALED !!!

[mbatsos]

That's the point my friend BlackST, now you speak decently. Now you speak the truth.
How can I trust you to offer me a course with 3000/100 (instead of taking Scott's online course) as you mentioned at the begining of this topic.

All the rest
1) "Distance learning",
2) “DR money cant buy, its all based on experiment and experience",
3) "Personally, I would rather spend $3000 on a trip to Disney World",
4) "There are some things that cant simply be taught, you cant learn experience",
...
is a piece of crap.

No one from the newbies, request to learn any secrets.
Guide lines they request,
Which cource should i follow?
Do you have any experience?
blah blah

Don't tell me my good friends that you re-invent the wheel in your life?
Since you are so good, why do you put your self down and buy those few equipment/software tools and do not reinvent them?

Surely if you will try to reinvent them you will learn more

You draw a line whenever it fits you.
Either there no good books or all books are good.
There is no this book is good but that book is not.
ALL BOOKS ARE GOOD. All tutorials are good (distance does not matter).
Might not be that good, but IT IS GOOD.

Without wanting to insult any female (think most of you are males) it would be more descent to speak more the truth rather than speaking philosofically trying to show that our world has ONE dimension.

You convince NO one. You remind my son's (4 years old) trick that I did many decates ago.
As I say to him "Find new tricks" and let me add "try to be more descent".

No one asks you to publish your secreats.Remember you are scientist.
Think, why the owners of this site created this forum, for gossip?

[BlackST]

@mbatsos

I don't get who your post is addressed to. Anyway the "NOOOOOO!!! SECRET REVEALED !!" was ironical reply about the Magic Wand used for HDD fix (like the Hard Drive Spray). I have the HDD horseshoe, if it counts ...

About the purpose of this forum : maybe was intended to make HDD specialists in contact between them (you should know who the admin is) or B2B instead of (as many would expect ) newbies and people who don't want to spend having advice and/or solutions for free. It doesn't matter.
There are a lot of forums and sites where bullshit flow like a river and other better ones, what I see is that 90% of forum(s) and sites are copy of each other and the answers are mostly the same (and mostly useless, with exceptions). You want an example? As a result of incorrect shutdown, you can't see any printer on Windows. Can't add. Normal fixes won't work and you can't make a reinstall, neither a repair. And you can't run system restore / get a restore point because of damage. The rest is working. But you need to fix it and can't reinstall XP over because it doesn't work or you can't. A customer had this problem, and effectively he said that he has seen tons of sites where there were always the same answers , 99% copy-paste or referral to no more existing sites, or to Microsoft KB... after two days struggling and intervention of other people who gave up saying "backup data, do a complete reinstall of OS and programs and restore data", he called me and I went there, in 2 minutes I fixed the problem with no loss of data, no reinstall. He paid very happily the call and 1 hour (it was really 2 minutes but the minimum is 1 hour) and said "now I get what a specialist is". A real ego boost but this was not magic, I just applied logic.

About sharing, there is a line that must be drawn : until a certain extent and until the solutions are known and spread and are maybe at a google click, some help can be given. Beyond, NO. At least not for me.
Example : if you ask me how a translator work, I would (if I want to , if I have the time to and if I decide to) maybe answer. The answer can be found elsewhere. But if you have , let's say, a Samsung F1 drive you absolutely want to recover , you don't want to spend a dime, no PC3000 can help you on the matter even if you have one, and ask me how translator work or how to fix it in this specific case, NO I WON'T ANSWER NEITHER SHARE. Selfish ? Tell it to tax agents and suppliers. If you don't want to send me the drive, then you have to pay me and added value (the time and money I invested on finding the answer) and the possible loss because I give out know-how you can use yourself and eventually "steal" me a market share. Selfish ? No. This is sane business.
There is eventually the option for sane B2B trade : you ask me some know how on a subject you don't know and give me other KH I don't have and need.

In general : If you want generic info, if you trust the net (I don't) go googling at your own time/connection expense and maybe ask for clarification (but bearing in mind no one owe us nothing). Some people take advantage of curiosity and maybe of the idea of setting up a business by selling information , this is another question. On other fields, I have paid and attended courses, some good and some other revealed being a loss of time and a theft of money, but that's life (taught the lesson and never trust them again, and when possible and when people would ask me my opinion, I will tell exactly what I think, supported by real facts).

Here university lessons are free. If you want to attend a Physics or Chemistry or Construction Engineering lesson or course , go, find a seat and listen. QUIETLY. When I was a younger university student I used - when a specific argument interested me - to do this.
Only you can't be examined if you don't pay the university fees and if you don't pass your exams you won't get your degree and you can't tell yourself "engineer" (Yes, we are probably one of the very few countries where your title / degree has legal value. Pros and cons : if you have a degree in, let's say, engineering, you cannot work as engineer (entitled) in Italy until your degree has been officially validated, AFAIK).

Well, that's my statement for today... back to work.