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 Post subject: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 20th, 2015, 10:48 
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Hi, im considering rebuying the same HD again or the WD Blue:

ST2000DM001 (Seagate 2 TB) 77€

or

WD10EZEX (WD Blue 1 TB) 52€ ??

My ST2000DM001 just died after 1.5 years. Im paranoid to buy it again, but the price is tempting for 2 TB. I just had bad luck? All of my other drives (including other Seagate ones) still work after 4+ years.

Is it worth buying the WD Blue with half capacity, in hopes that it will last longer? I'll have enough space but will not enough to feel completely ok with it (i'll not have that peace of mind of always having a lot of free space)

My budget is 80€ max.

I was considering investing in SSHD, but im not sure about it. For example I was considering the ST2000DX001, 2TB for 112€, and a lot faster than regular HDD, but I don't like the idea of having 8GB of data that you don't control.
What if you want to sell it later on? what if sensible data gets on there and people can recover it (banking details etc)?
Can you secure erase a SSHD completely including the 8GB of flash memory? Does this memory gets wiped every time you turn it off like RAM? Are they reliable long term?

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 21st, 2015, 5:33 
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Nope, you didn't have bad luck, the *DM* series is a nightmare and the fail rates are very high.
I don't know your location, but I think generally you can buy a 2TB WD Red for ~100 euros which is pretty fair for 2TB of space.

Remember, a good drive is the one which you've already backed up.

PS. You can look at an interesting research about hard drive reliability of different manufacturers, here: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 2:48 
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We build computers and use all Western Digital drives now. One man reason is we can monitor SMART with smartmontools reliably. We have had good luck with them. (Desktop drives BTW). Following is some recent drives we've bought:

WD10EZEX
WD60EFRX
WD30EZRX
WD50EFRX
WD30EFRX
WD20EZRX


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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 5:08 
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We build computers and use all Western Digital drives now. One man reason is we can monitor SMART with smartmontools reliably.

I'm just curious about the implication of this statement. Are you suggesting that the monitoring of SMART attributes for some other brands is problematic or that the attributes themselves are problematic, and in what way?

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 6:25 
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fzabkar wrote:
penx wrote:
We build computers and use all Western Digital drives now. One man reason is we can monitor SMART with smartmontools reliably.

I'm just curious about the implication of this statement. Are you suggesting that the monitoring of SMART attributes for some other brands is problematic or that the attributes themselves are problematic, and in what way?


Frank ,
Thats a wrong statement from him .Monitoring smart is not hard in any drive family currently in market

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 8:57 
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normaly WD only trhrows errors on atributes when something is wrong

my wd drives have 0 read errors and 0 write errors etc :D


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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 9:19 
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Well,
I Personally Like Western Digital Black HDD .Plus They Are With 5 Years Warranty here in india

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 10:14 
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We have experience with WD and Seagate, not so much with other brands. So a better explanation about why we use WD hard drives is that in my experience, looking at smart stats on Seagate drives shows errors even when the drive is healthy and smartmontools shows numbers in unknown categories and a large number in headflyinghours. I subsequently called Seagate and had a long conversation with a top tier engineer. He pretty much brushed off smartmontools and only offered using their test utility that at the time was pass/fail only. But we felt it important to monitor SMART with smartmontools and see numbers that clearly represent the condition of the drive. With WD we have become accustom that all the numbers are good unless there is a problem with the drive. Only one drive in the last 10 years showing good SMART was bad...it was a problem with speed. Imaging the drive cleared up the problem so that was the exception. When we build a PC we use pretty much all WD and use many of the same models so I can't speak for other brands other than the experience just described with Seagate but we have very few issues with our WD drives. As a side note I'm planning on ordering a Seagate 2TB notebook drive because it is 9mm thick I think...no other choices I think.


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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 10:21 
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Amarbir wrote:
fzabkar wrote:
penx wrote:
We build computers and use all Western Digital drives now. One man reason is we can monitor SMART with smartmontools reliably.

I'm just curious about the implication of this statement. Are you suggesting that the monitoring of SMART attributes for some other brands is problematic or that the attributes themselves are problematic, and in what way?


Frank ,
Thats a wrong statement from him .Monitoring smart is not hard in any drive family currently in market


I agree that SMART is not hard with either WD or Seagate. I've provided a better explanation of my reasoning in my last post.

It might also be helpful to mention that I've been unable to monitor SMART in any USB enclosure. Not sure if that is a USB issue or enclosure issue. We started using hot-swappable bays when possible because of this.


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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 22nd, 2015, 12:49 
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penx wrote:
Imaging the drive cleared up the problem so that was the exception.


Well,
This is impossible until you mean erasing

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate 2 TB died, whats a good replacement?
PostPosted: May 26th, 2015, 19:46 
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northwind wrote:
Nope, you didn't have bad luck, the *DM* series is a nightmare and the fail rates are very high.
I don't know your location, but I think generally you can buy a 2TB WD Red for ~100 euros which is pretty fair for 2TB of space.

Remember, a good drive is the one which you've already backed up.

PS. You can look at an interesting research about hard drive reliability of different manufacturers, here: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/


I didn't got the RED recommended because it's for NAS.
Blacks are way too expensive.
Blue seems good, but not 2TB.

The SSHD seems to suck privacy wise becase you have no control over what says on the 8GB of flash memory.


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