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 Post subject: HDD repair against data recovery
PostPosted: May 3rd, 2005, 5:25 
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Hi guys. I see 2 groups of visitors to this forum and they do not understand much each others. The first group are people from the data recovery business. They can ask much money from their stupid clients ( the smart ones always got backup copies of theirs files), so they can afford buying expensive software like PC3K... The second group are people like me from the HDD repair business. They can ask maximum 10-20$ for a repaired disk because the HDD prices are very low! One have to repair 1 ton HDD's in order to buy a licenced copy of PC3K!!! All we got is MHDD - a great program given to us for free. Thank you Master Dimitry for that!!!
We are here to learn how to make use of its powerful features, but all we hear is take this module, put that module, buy a legal copy of PC3K...
If you want to be helpful to somebody just tell him how to solve the problem by using MHDD, not PC3k or HRT!!!!! If you don't want to be helpful keep your secrets and say nothing !


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 Post subject: Re: HDD repair against data recovery
PostPosted: May 3rd, 2005, 5:36 
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BGman wrote:
how to solve the problem by using MHDD, not PC3k or HRT!
:) use MHDD scripting engine.


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PostPosted: May 3rd, 2005, 5:51 
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a thread about the scripting engine and how to is a good idea!
I propose a discussion about that !
thanks


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PostPosted: May 3rd, 2005, 9:40 
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gustav wrote:
a thread about the scripting engine and how to is a good idea!
I propose a discussion about that !
thanks


agreed,

start the ball rolling


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 Post subject: Re: HDD repair against data recovery
PostPosted: May 3rd, 2005, 10:40 
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Valera wrote:
BGman wrote:
how to solve the problem by using MHDD, not PC3k or HRT!
:) use MHDD scripting engine.

OK. But I need detailed documentation concerning the commands and their sintax. What we got now is just a few samples and general ideas...
By the way, Valera, how many drives have you repaired by using the MHDD scripting engine?


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PostPosted: May 4th, 2005, 2:51 
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:) There more than it is necessary for the documentation. And generally, if do not know as, do not use. This way demands greater knowledge and skills, than at work as the ready tools.
How many... :) Exists a lot of freeware АТА terminals... And in the MHDD scripting engine now it is possible to declare variables, cycles, logic jumps... Bravo Dmitry!
In addition look messages Jose and Dmitry http://mhddsoftware.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=447
Good luck


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PostPosted: May 8th, 2005, 11:06 
Hahahahahahaha, I forgot this post. And this post is very interesting.

People that do repairs and people that do recoverys ??????????????????
I did not understand the coment, really.

I have a lab, a very small lab in a very samll city in a very poor country, and here we only work with Physicals Recoverys, fanny no ?

When I decide to work only with data recovery, the first thing that I learned at that time was that to do a Recovery job in any disk the first condition is "THE HARD DISK NEED TO BE WORKING".
So for people that works with physical recoverys ( like me ) the most important knowledge is - how can I fix this damage ? with one very important condiction - of course - without kill the data inside the disk.

How we can separate people that work with hard disks ? How this is possible ? OH yeah maybe if we think that is possible to leave in this business using only the GetDataBack, maybe we believe that we are the smartest guys in the world, why not ? Maybe people will not look at internet to find the solution to theyers problems, maybe ..... maybe .......

To many Fu$%$#@#$%$^&S maybes to me.


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PostPosted: May 9th, 2005, 17:51 
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the problem is that for a 20$ repair you need to waste almost as much time as for a 500$ recovery. So if you become good repairman data recovery is the next logical step in your development.


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PostPosted: May 14th, 2005, 8:00 
Good.


Last edited by Jose Pinto on May 14th, 2005, 13:57, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: May 14th, 2005, 9:40 
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i'm not mixing anything, i'm just saying that by doing repairs you will learn a lot, and with all the knowledge you will start doing data recovery, as repairs are not so profitable. I hope i was clear enough.


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 3:49 
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My point was that HDD repair and data recovery are practically same things. Therefore there is no reason to ask 20$ for HDD repair and 500$ for data recovery exept GREED. And GREED is the main reason why ACE Lab and the others are asking from us thousends $ for there software.


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 4:08 
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I'm not an expert, but I think that producing a software like pc3k requires a lot of investigation, and there are not so many people that will buy it. I think that makes it expensive.
I agree, the main reason why people ask so much money for data recovery is greed, but anyone would do the same, why would you ask $20 if they will pay if you ask $500. Obviously that will work only until somebody does the same job for 20 ;) but I think data recovery will never cost $20. I guess that when you repair disks you can just say "this one is too complicated to repair, Its not worth to continue", but in a data recovery business you wouldnt give up so easily, even the customer expect you dont give up easily! it costs more time, and that's why it costs more money.


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 4:23 
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DanielSC wrote:
I'm not an expert, but I think that producing a software like pc3k requires a lot of investigation, and there are not so many people that will buy it. I think that makes it expensive.

If the price was reasonable, many people would buy it!!!
Thanks God we got D. P. and MHDD !!!


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 7:05 
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BGman you know what the problem is :!:
It's not about 500$ or 1000$ .....
The reason is that when you do data recovery and ask for money let say 50$ people look at you and say that you are crazy to ask so much.
And this is because they do not know that most of the time this is not about "Get Data back", "Easy recovery" "R-studio" or something similar. And not about PCB exchange and voala... Or geting those kind of progie and start it. It's about our knowledge Its about experiance that you get and the time that you do waste for this.....
But there is and another point of view
I saw one post of Dmitry Postrinagn where he say:
"When you get Pc3000 you start think other way. - How to make money"
unfortunately this is the truth.
BGman we live in one and same country and even in same city. Is hard to ask 500$ to people that whant to recover their movies or MP3's or for work of their live... They don't have so much


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 7:52 
Sorry all, but seams to me that has some things here that are confused. And in my opinion there are also things that was mixed here. I can understand when this happens with people that has a few experience in this business, but I can not understand when this happens with people that say or that we suppose to think that they have experience in this business. Maybe just maybe we are talking in differents levels maybe we have different markets, I do not know.
But seams to me that ask for 500usd for a student to get his work back is not nice, in my opinion is a shame. I help here a lot of people that had theyer jobs lost. But when a company that has 1200 employees looses his Raid system with 5 disks and do not did his backup and this job will took 10 days of my job, is impossible for me ( at least for me that need to pay some bills ) to do not ask for a few bucks more. Sometimes we have here MX disks that people (that has hacked software or even magical solutions ) already start to do the job but they did not finish for some reason ( I do not care what is the reason ) and this disks stay her at my lab using my resources for one some times 2 weeks to get the job donne and this disks is another job that I can not effort with 50usd.
I think that I learn another thing here, today.
Companies and professionals, prices ? why you do not ask Ontrack ? maybe you never talked with this kind of company before, why you do not check Action Front ? ok because you people think that they are "GREED".
Maybe we have different dreams, I love my job, I do this because this is something that keeps me alive. And I really would like to have a service like the good labs, we have plans here that points us to this conditions in a future.
Yes, I'm doing a lot of mistakes and misunderstoods here. SORRY.


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 8:28 
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OK people. We got Microsoft with their MS Windows, MS Office, etc. and we got Linux with the software for it. If you are rich and dumb you buy MS S/W for $$$, if you are not you go for Linux or for cracked version of MS S/W. The same is the situation with PC3K and MHDD - if you are smart and poor you go for MHDD or the cracked PC3K. Both LINUX and MHDD were created by very smart and talanted young programmers and we should express our gratitude to them. We should thank them for not being GREEDY at first place, for not playing Bill Gates to us!


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 10:45 
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Sorry, but what you are saying is a complete abortion.
I use both, MHDD and PC3K and both are great.
So, what you are saying is that acelab has to give us pc3k for free? Then who will be feeding and paying to all their engineers who work 24/7 to build all the utilities? Yes, I know, pc3k is a bit pricy, and I paid quite a bit for it, but I use it every day and that brings me money too. So, why do you want to make money and not pay them for the product that is feeding you? Think before you say something, dude.

There are too many features that you can't do with MHDD to fix the drive. And there are also many features that you can't do with pc3k to diagnoze the drive, etc. These are two different products.


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 12:35 
Tony, this is the only true
I'm doing a lot of mistakes and misunderstoods here. SORRY.
They are too smart and the rest too dummy.
They are bright and the rest , well the rest is the rest.


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PostPosted: May 16th, 2005, 12:59 
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I'm just being realistic...


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PostPosted: May 17th, 2005, 4:55 
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Tony wrote:
I'm just being realistic...

No, you are not! You say that Dimitry doesn't care about his family because he gives us MHDD for free!!! What I say is that there are people that are generous (like D.P.) and that are greedy (like B.G.). I haven't said that PC3K should be free, I said that its price should be reasonable and maybe region specific. With the current price one has no choice:
He should be fair with acelab and unfair with his clients, or vice versa.
Two questions for Tony:
1. What are you doing data recovery or HDD repair?
2. Where are you from?


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