Cloning MMC issue!

[BlackST]

There are things called rules and laws, until they are not changd they are in force... this case is no exception. Note : a DGFE mmc that can last the entire lifetime of the ecr is about 80-100 Eur if I remember right (I do only see the electronics now so I am out of any other aspect) , the lifetime is limited to about 7 years by the number of daily "closure" operations that are mandatory and finite, so what are we talking about ?

[HaQue]

I think the OP is either wanting to, or must, or advised by accountant, or whatever.. taking each fiscal year's MMC and archiving it with that years other paperwork. A good Idea since relying on 1 MMC for 7 years, or the same cash register to be "safe" for 7 years (getting stolen, damaged in fire, broken, etc etc) probably not the greatest idea. And having 1 years fiscal data together and separate is easier to manage.

But Im not in Italy, so YMMV.

I tend to focus on WHAT the person wants to do, not WHY. Though in cases where laws are involved, better to be smart about it as BlackST says.

[z4lumroF]

There are things called rules and laws, until they are not changd they are in force... this case is no exception. Note : a DGFE mmc that can last the entire lifetime of the ecr is about 80-100 Eur if I remember right (I do only see the electronics now so I am out of any other aspect) , the lifetime is limited to about 7 years by the number of daily "closure" operations that are mandatory and finite, so what are we talking about ?

We are talking about nothing, however, even if we wanted to, it seems impossible even technically.

So now I can just relax my self and pull out my money

[BlackST]

I think the OP is either wanting to, or must, or advised by accountant, or whatever.. taking each fiscal year's MMC and archiving it with that years other paperwork. A good Idea since relying on 1 MMC for 7 years, or the same cash register to be "safe" for 7 years (getting stolen, damaged in fire, broken, etc etc) probably not the greatest idea. And having 1 years fiscal data together and separate is easier to manage.

But Im not in Italy, so YMMV.

I tend to focus on WHAT the person wants to do, not WHY. Though in cases where laws are involved, better to be smart about it as BlackST says.

Not that way : the MMC stores EACH LINE PRINTED on the receipt, it's just an electronic replacement for the journal paper roll on previous design ECR. If you want, in seconds and with few commands you can re-print whatever you want between two dates, two "fiscal end-of-the-day" numbers, etc. . Also, you need the machine you have written the "DGFE" in, so the archival purpose is pointless. The ECR inside its "FISCAL MEMORY" stores only the TOTAL REVENUE for that day and the date/time of the daily closure and a PROGRESSIVE FIGURE ("Gran Totale" = grand total) that is the amount of cash "registered". This data is NEVER resettable, the fiscal memory is bound to the machine serial number, potted and sealed to the ECR case, that is sealed with tamperproof seal - originally lead, depending on model, now a tamperproof seal signed and personalized with the government assigned "PIN" -let's call it this way- of the authorized tech who put the ECR in service / dealer. Moreover, you have to register BY HAND in a fiscal log at each end of the day the above mentioned total.
If you disconnect the fiscal memory, or tamper with the RTC or the RAM data the ECR design (to be compliant with the Italian government regulation) should halt every operation or eventually record it and stop. It is impossible, for example, to revert the clock and close day 100 then next record is let's say 90 : next MUST be day 101.
Also it is impossible to perform a "cold start" of the ECR without opening it. In any case, even the number of "RESETs" is limited an hard encoded in fiscal memory : after this limit is reached, the ECR is no longer functional. Same if the fiscal memory fails - you either have to send to factory that will assign a new serial no. or simply replace the entire ECR (it happens....).
The reason for all this is fraud prevention countermeasures that do exist for other things in many other systems AND countries.
Consequences : as these MMCs are "custom" for that application, they cost much more than a simple, stupid MMC.

What people would like : make their own and save money. Openly said, it seems ......

P.S. despite some nostalgia mood as I worked also in the field more than a decade ago between the Euro changeover , reading some things give me a sort of itch.... don't know why....

[enterprise72]

Hello Alexander, I am also looking for a way to clone mmc. There 'and who' succeeded in cloning. I am successful with compact flash, but with no mmc. I think it's a player issue because 'you just take a picture and read the contents. You what extent are you?

Hello everybody!
I introduce myself, my name is Alessandro and i'm from Italy;
I'm looking for a little help to be able cloning a "special" Mmc multimedia card,
It is a simple mmc 128mb plus by Trascend, the problem is that this card is formatted in a proprietary (built in) file system,
It work exclusively for record data from a cash register... if i plug the memory on a simple laptop or pc is not readable by any O.S. (tried on Ms windows, Ubuntu, IOs and even android), it's visible as local disk but with unknown file system, i tried using a lot of software like clonezilla, gparted, acronis ecc..., HDD Raw Copy recognize the disk but if i select the target and click on "continue" don't start the operation and return on the initial screen without the disk (mmc) on the list.
Someone can help me, it's very important for me do this work.

Saluti.

[BlackST]

MMC sono una cosa, DGFE un altra...
Non potevano essere cosi' ingenui...

MMC and DGFE are two different things.
They were not so naive...

[enterprise72]

DGFE the electronic journal is created on the support mmc, and there 'who makes clones of these mmc without reading the content and what' and 'can I have bought these clones at a price of 15 euro

Non potevano essere cosi' ingenui...

MMC and DGFE are two different things.
They were not so naive...[/quote]

[BlackST]

Stiamo parlando di cose legali , poco chiare o come spesso succede, fantasie ? La seconda e terza e' poco ben vista qui...

Are we talking about legal stuff, grey market or , like often, fictitious stories? Second and 3rd are not so welcomed here.

[z4lumroF]

Hello enterprise72,

I gave up doing it for two different reasons:

- seems technically impossible and I wasted a lot of time that I could spend doing something else.

- as has already been said in this debate, it's unclear whether it is legal or illegal, when in doubt I preferred to leave it.

if you can do it, good for you

Saluti