I just replied to this on the google forum email you sent
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| Author: | odedshankar [ August 24th, 2012, 6:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
Hi Folks, I am trying to dig my way into flash recovery and find it very hard. I own SD Flash Doctor and it is very very hard to do recoveries with it as SD do not maintain any database of controllers and their reader fail to read half of the de-soldered chips. I am looking into buying soft center flash extractor solution which i keep hearing is very good, but it has very high costs and annual license of almost $1900. Did someone had any experience with this product? what do you think about the learning curve? is it that good. Comparing to the pc3000 flash solution? costs wise and success rate wise? Any advise would be very good. Thanks, Oded |
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| Author: | loki [ August 24th, 2012, 7:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
I just replied to this on the google forum email you sent Loki |
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| Author: | einstein9 [ August 24th, 2012, 10:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
odedshankar wrote: Hi Folks, I am trying to dig my way into flash recovery and find it very hard. I own SD Flash Doctor and it is very very hard to do recoveries with it as SD do not maintain any database of controllers and their reader fail to read half of the de-soldered chips. I am looking into buying soft center flash extractor solution which i keep hearing is very good, but it has very high costs and annual license of almost $1900. Did someone had any experience with this product? what do you think about the learning curve? is it that good. Comparing to the pc3000 flash solution? costs wise and success rate wise? Any advise would be very good. Thanks, Oded Buying SC is step 1 and there are really 1000`s after i cannot imagine Day-1 to Day-90 (maybe if am not wrong) till the day came that i wanted to SELL it but one of the forum members here gave me 2 remote sessions each about 20-30min and from there all became crystal clear at least now i see and understand things more better, Another Credit to Michal  trust me, if there is no market for flashes in your area you will end up storing it somewhere as of my case here, i use it 90% as a hobby on my spare time with complex cases (which you will get to know later) SC is the BEST tool (in addition to another one more complex - still not known well, but powerful) do your homework and see if its worth or not then decide to buy it. and good luck again |
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| Author: | hddguy [ August 24th, 2012, 10:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
einstein9 wrote: SC is the BEST tool (in addition to another one more complex - still not known well, but powerful) do you refer to DP ? |
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| Author: | einstein9 [ August 24th, 2012, 10:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
was ref. to Jenya - NR
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| Author: | hddguy [ August 24th, 2012, 10:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
einstein9 wrote: was ref. to Jenya - NR ME too (dump picker) 
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| Author: | einstein9 [ August 24th, 2012, 12:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
heheheh sometimes i read things with my sun glasses 
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| Author: | einstein9 [ August 24th, 2012, 12:15 ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor | ||
Forgot to mention that you will really need to INVEST on practice a lot really specially on SC as a matter of fact, few min. back, i bought this SSD to disassemble and see how good i`m on building it on my SC then will put it back and use it again. with the ref. of my prev. post here also: silly-question-about-flash-memories-t23782.html you may imagine what else can be done with it...  how far are you willing to go with it? the answer is too far (for me) and good luck
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| Author: | odedshankar [ August 24th, 2012, 17:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
tanks einstein9, It helps to get some feedback, i understand that it is not a walk in the park with the SC, and it is good to know. Unfortunately the flash market in my area is not that brilliant,i found that usually people wouldn't pay too much for flash recovery so i need to consider if it will cover my costs, but as every DR engineer its also the challenge i am after and preparing my self for the future that will probably be flash. So after all the tries, i understand you're happy with the product? Cheers, Oded |
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| Author: | arvika [ August 24th, 2012, 18:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
You must consider that in nowadays there is more and more monoliths. It is new challenge and it is harder to recover than standard flash with controller and nand flash chips. |
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| Author: | Izualim [ August 27th, 2012, 11:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
I'll recommend it, it can take about 3 months for you to get used to the way it works, it has a great support i have to say, 85% of the cases that i had to desolder the nands i've got the data successfully from SC tools. Anyway i'm agree with Arvika, there's more and more monolith cases coming in. Do your numbers and see if it worth buying for you. |
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| Author: | pcimage [ August 27th, 2012, 15:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
Izualim wrote: I'll recommend it, it can take about 3 months for you to get used to the way it works, it has a great support i have to say, 85% of the cases that i had to desolder the nands i've got the data successfully from SC tools. Anyway i'm agree with Arvika, there's more and more monolith cases coming in. Do your numbers and see if it worth buying for you. Agree it is about numbers Fortunately we do quote a lot of flash recoveries (4-5 a day) so its worth it for us. In addition to those numbers, we take outsource work in 100% confidence from DR companies worldwide at trade pricing, so they don't have to fork out $1,000's to be able to offer the service. We've already forked out the $$$, so why not spread the cost 
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| Author: | einstein9 [ September 3rd, 2012, 14:18 ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor | ||
Another Damn Sandforce chip heheh the reason why not posting it in SC forum is the Attach. size, wish me good luck
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| Author: | Izualim [ September 4th, 2012, 3:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
Sandforce are encrypted, and i don't think their controllers are supported by any laboratories yet, it uses AES-128 encryption. |
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| Author: | einstein9 [ September 4th, 2012, 5:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
Izualim wrote: Sandforce are encrypted, and i don't think their controllers are supported by any laboratories yet, it uses AES-128 encryption. There was one day another Encryption issue, and ur right on your point.. but for every action there must be Reactions.... Disease & Medication so do not worry, one day someone will find it... Quote: The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. By: Albert Einstein
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| Author: | HaQue [ July 2nd, 2013, 0:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flash Recovery with Soft Center Flash Extractor |
Hi, Did you ever have any luck with your sandforce Einstein9? I have a case with SF-1222TA3-SBH and from looking around seems that still the encryption makes this a no-go. I am doing standard electronics diagnosis this afternoon, but am I right that no solution exists currently for sandForce if NAND recovery is needed? Cheers |
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