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Author:  egroj [ December 2nd, 2013, 10:46 ]
Post subject:  cell phone data recovery
Hello, in my job are looking a tool to recorery data from cell phones.
If any one have experience using a tool like that and wich more recommended.
so I was watching the most pro is ufed from cellebite but if any one know a cheaper tool, beyond that does not have many features.

thanks
Author:  einstein9 [ December 2nd, 2013, 15:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
To move from Point A to Point B you may:

1- Buy bicycle (cheap tool)
2- Buy KIA (Middle Tool)
3- Buy Ferrari (Pro. Tool)

Now, if you buy Option 1 for example, after FEW days you will be tired (but will gain muscle (=knowledge) - which is good)

if you buy Option 2, then you will realize that you supposed to buy the Ferrari since KIA (Middle Tool) will not give you what you were expecting from it.

@ the end, to cut this story short, better go Pro. and forget about the Muscle (=knowledge) which you will already get to know from the Ferrari


i hope you got the idea here

and thats the Diff. between Good & Bad Investment.

Good luck :druunk:
Author:  fzabkar [ December 2nd, 2013, 15:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
Here in Australia we just go down to our local markets. There will usually be a Middle Eastern or Chinese guy selling mobile phone stuff. He will have an array of cheap phone hacking tools, which he probably got for free, and he'll be able to retrieve your data in most cases, and he'll do it for a pittance.
Author:  einstein9 [ December 3rd, 2013, 1:13 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
fzabkar wrote:
Here in Australia we just go down to our local markets. There will usually be a Middle Eastern or Chinese guy selling mobile phone stuff. He will have an array of cheap phone hacking tools, which he probably got for free, and he'll be able to retrieve your data in most cases, and he'll do it for a pittance.



Then i guess, and since you came up with this Lovely Solution
you MAY introduce our friend here to one of yours (or you know)

and also there many Gov/Private Sector.....etc. who are really Interested to know those HACKING guys.

GOOD LUCK man
Author:  fzabkar [ December 3rd, 2013, 6:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
@einstein9, the OP's question was not about bicycles or Ferraris.
Author:  HaQue [ December 3rd, 2013, 7:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
Analogies do not always work when comparing things. A "Pro Tool" is very subjective. For example I was led to believe a "Pro Tool" was a Flash Doctor, and the price certainly backed up einstein9's Theory. but no, sadly not. A tool half the price is way better.

It may help the OP to say what you consider a bicycle, Kia and Ferrari, as that really is the question, and it was directed at people with experience in Cell Phone recoveries.

The cellbrite is doing some really strong work, but might be overkill for what you are doing. I am not sure if regular citizens can buy it, might be only law enforcement.

OP's question is dependent on a few extra things:

-Are you doing recovery from broken phones for people, to retrieve their data as a private company, government etc?
-Are you doing forensic work where the data extraction must be forensically sound?
-What is your budget?
-Do you plan on investing a lot of time in learning or want a pointy-clicky tool for the once-a-month jobs?
-Is your understanding of what can be achieved regarding data recovery, in situations regulated by the first two list items realistic?


Id be interested in your findings and how you made the decision to buy whatever tool you end up with.
Author:  ici_lemmy [ December 3rd, 2013, 8:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
einstein9 wrote:
To move from Point A to Point B you may:

1- Buy bicycle (cheap tool)
2- Buy KIA (Middle Tool)
3- Buy Ferrari (Pro. Tool)

Now, if you buy Option 1 for example, after FEW days you will be tired (but will gain muscle (=knowledge) - which is good)

if you buy Option 2, then you will realize that you supposed to buy the Ferrari since KIA (Middle Tool) will not give you what you were expecting from it.

@ the end, to cut this story short, better go Pro. and forget about the Muscle (=knowledge) which you will already get to know from the Ferrari


i hope you got the idea here

and thats the Diff. between Good & Bad Investment.

Good luck :druunk:

Really good image... I think I'll reuse it.

To answer OP, UFED or XRY are pro forensics tools. They are not cheap but... again, i like einstein image.
Author:  einstein9 [ December 3rd, 2013, 8:21 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
@fzabkar
the OP did not ask about: hacking tools as you mentioned

in addition:
when the OP mentioned the: Cellebite , this means PRO. TOOLS and he did his homework researching
which again means Cellebite will DO things where no other HACKING TOOL will do (not even your Chinese guy)

if you get my point here

Now
@HaQue

about your Flash Doctor example here

if you read here about FE and how powerful it is you will never go for the Cheap Tool which is the Salvation
before ordering you supposed to ASK whoever bought it before, and how happy they are with it, and how many cases they closed with it

but going straight paying for none-sense Tool like Salvation Flash Doctor (with not more than 20 posts - which i guess about it) you should
know that it worth only the box which carry it. with all the new flashes coming daily from China.

Now, back again to my KIA & Ferrari (which i always refer to)

you will never feel the Diff. between the Ferrari & KIA (or bicycle) unless you drive both

I consider my self lucky, coz i started with the Ferrari and happy with it
but still have few dusty bicycles which i barely USE.
Author:  hddguy [ December 3rd, 2013, 8:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
einstein9 wrote:
if you read here about FE and how powerful it is you will never go for the Cheap Tool which is the Salvation
before


What would you consider PC3000 Flash as? Lately this is starting to prove more effective than the FE...

Also, for phone analysis, I have used XRY and currently use Cellebrite. for me, Cellebrite is the better of the two, but this is just my opinion I know there are others who disagree about it.
Author:  HaQue [ December 3rd, 2013, 9:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
einstein9 wrote:
@fzabkar
the OP did not ask about: hacking tools as you mentioned

in addition:
when the OP mentioned the: Cellebite , this means PRO. TOOLS and he did his homework researching
which again means Cellebite will DO things where no other HACKING TOOL will do (not even your Chinese guy)

if you get my point here

He didn't ask about anything specific, and fzabkars suggestion is valid because these tools do actually recover data.
A Pro tool is worth nothing if you a) cant afford it, and b) is not suited to what your business model is.

I would not call merely mentioning(and note, mis-spelling) 1 single tool "doing his homework"

I think the OP wanted details on tools, not see who could make the most points.

einstein9 wrote:
@
Now
@HaQue

about your Flash Doctor example here

if you read here about FE and how powerful it is you will never go for the Cheap Tool which is the Salvation
before ordering you supposed to ASK whoever bought it before, and how happy they are with it, and how many cases they closed with it

but going straight paying for none-sense Tool like Salvation Flash Doctor (with not more than 20 posts - which i guess about it) you should
know that it worth only the box which carry it. with all the new flashes coming daily from China.


Okay granted the FD does not work well.. You are right, I made the wrong decision there. But facts: the FD was nearly $4,000 and FE is just over $2,000, so I am not sure how that's the cheap tool. There was no access to SD forum until I bought the tool to see the minimal user posts and all the fail.
I bought the SD Flash Doctor around October and I joined HDDGuru in Dec of 2012. I didn't know at the time that joining a Hard drive forum might help me to make a good purchase of Flash drive tools. Go Figure.
I also saw a lot of posts about Sergey possibly not wanting to continue, and users of the tool bitching about the support not coming quick enough, so strike 1 for FE.
I also fell for the marketing bullshit of SD, The emails from sales team were polite and very prompt. The site and so called development plans looks on the wrapper much more sophisticated than FE, though how was I to know that Sergey can perform the miracles he does? Sure he has some struggles with the volume of support, and a few cases are not solved, but all this info is what I have learned by being "in the loop" not as I was out of it.

Until you actually go through this nightmare I think you wouldn't be able to make a decision based on available info.

I would do it differently now, but at the time knew no better.


einstein9 wrote:
Now, back again to my KIA & Ferrari (which i always refer to)

you will never feel the Diff. between the Ferrari & KIA (or bicycle) unless you drive both

I consider my self lucky, coz i started with the Ferrari and happy with it
but still have few dusty bicycles which i barely USE.

Well it is out of the question to "Buy both" and test them isn't it. Your own advice above is to ask questions and see the experiences of the users, how many cases solved with each etc, which is what the OP is doing.

Are you able to provide the OP with any opinions on the Bike, Kia and Ferrari of the Cell Phone Recovery tools?
Author:  egroj [ December 3rd, 2013, 10:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
Thanks for everybody to responding my questions. I am dont speak a very good english so i read slowly the answers
really thanks very much
Author:  einstein9 [ December 3rd, 2013, 10:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
hddguy wrote:
einstein9 wrote:
if you read here about FE and how powerful it is you will never go for the Cheap Tool which is the Salvation
before


What would you consider PC3000 Flash as? Lately this is starting to prove more effective than the FE...

Also, for phone analysis, I have used XRY and currently use Cellebrite. for me, Cellebrite is the better of the two, but this is just my opinion I know there are others who disagree about it.


by the time (before ordering my FE) the pc3000 was a mess (sorry to tell but not as good as now)

back again to the main subject,

Yup, if out of 10
XRY 7
Cellebrite 9

in fact, till now there is no Perfect 10
:mrgreen:
Author:  alemmat [ April 22nd, 2014, 10:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
Hi, any body try to use the riff box to recover data from cell phone with android
Author:  Haltec [ April 23rd, 2014, 17:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
What phone model you are talking about.

And why you want do dump nor/nand for?

What data you need from the phone?

And what is phone failure symptom?



Haltec
Author:  alemmat [ April 29th, 2014, 12:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
Hello Haltec, how are you?

thanks very much to answer.

in my job we want to start to recover data form cell phones, and am looking for an accessible (cheap) tool.

would initially only android phones, and most of all samsung.


my best regards
Author:  HaQue [ April 29th, 2014, 18:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
tools like UFED and Cellbrite? If you have googled, list why the specific tools you found are not good..
Author:  Haltec [ May 7th, 2014, 6:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: cell phone data recovery
Well...

I just handed over some 7GB of data from an I9100G.


But e.g. this case involved JTAG, and some electronic adjustment so that main pcb can be even suitable for NAND reading without desoldering it. (it's glued BGA)

I do repair cellphones for living, and I sincerely doubt that serious DR from those can be performed without some knowledge of internals, and some additional skills.


Even unlock 3rd party tools are not "one click" or user friendly. O.k. no command line, or terminal commands. But sometimes in R&D - there is.

eMMC is a buggy little bastard (http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/EMMC_Bugs) and dealing with those failures is reserved only for good reversers.




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