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Author:  hamidbid [ January 18th, 2015, 2:36 ]
Post subject:  pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
Hi to all ,

i have s flash 16 gb sp with controller sm3257EN Q with two chips toshiba

i can read this two chip with soft center nand reader id 98 DE 94 93 but have many bad sectors

but i can't read id code any one of two chips with nand reader for pc3000 flash while another memories can read

message in log pc3000 flash nand reader
[17.01.2015 22:33:45]: Adapter is not use!
[17.01.2015 22:33:47]: PinState ID= 8 ->
[17.01.2015 22:33:47]: .. Bus= 8 bit/ IO0x-0 -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:47]: .. Bus= 16 bit (JEDEC) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:47]: .. Bus= 16 bit (ONFI) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: PinState ID= 430 ->
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: .. Bus= 8 bit/ IO0x-0 -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: .. Bus= 16 bit (JEDEC) -> SKIP PIN STATE (USE H BUS)!
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: .. Bus= 16 bit (ONFI) -> SKIP PIN STATE (USE H BUS)!
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: PinState ID= 109 ->
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: .. Bus= 8 bit/ IO0x-0 -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: .. Bus= 16 bit (JEDEC) -> SKIP PIN STATE (USE H BUS)!
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: .. Bus= 16 bit (ONFI) -> SKIP PIN STATE (USE H BUS)!
[17.01.2015 22:33:48]: PinState ID= 9 ->
[17.01.2015 22:33:49]: .. Bus= 8 bit/ IO0x-0 -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:49]: .. Bus= 16 bit (JEDEC) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:49]: .. Bus= 16 bit (ONFI) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:50]: PinState ID= 36 ->
[17.01.2015 22:33:50]: .. Bus= 8 bit/ IO0x-0 -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:50]: .. Bus= 16 bit (JEDEC) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:50]: .. Bus= 16 bit (ONFI) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:51]: PinState ID= 43 ->
[17.01.2015 22:33:51]: .. Bus= 8 bit/ IO0x-0 -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:51]: .. Bus= 16 bit (JEDEC) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!
[17.01.2015 22:33:51]: .. Bus= 16 bit (ONFI) -> ID= 0x00000000 (ID EXT= 0x00000000 00000000) - Error!

any one idea?

with thanks

hamid Bidrang
Author:  hamidbid [ January 18th, 2015, 2:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
hi again,

in section manual mode in parameters i selected this id chip 0x98DE9493 and afetr read chips but files in winhex are 00000000... to end of dump

i want read these tow chips with pc3000 nand reader
any one help me?


best regard
Author:  HaQue [ January 18th, 2015, 3:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
what was the page size in the config of PC3K? Recently I saw the page size in another tool of a similar chip set as 17662 when it should be 17664.

Also this chip could possibly need a power mod. I would try:

In Soft Center:

1/0x80ac (VCC on pads: 1,12,24,34,37,38,39.)
and if not better:
1/0x0024 (VCC on pads: 34,37,39.)

Also, sometimes the "check" ecc doesn't look good until you turn it on.

Not sure what you can do for PC3K, maybe make sure pins are cleaned well and straight.
Author:  hamidbid [ January 18th, 2015, 4:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
hi HaQue
thanks for answer,

configure with pc3000
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Microchip ID =00 PATH =01:
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Packet Size = 64 pages. Microchip reading...
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Operation parameters
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Pin State....................: ID= 9 (TSOP-48)(Default2 (1,24 - 1, 2,23 -0, 34,38 - 1))
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: States by pin..........(PIN):(STATE)
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 01: -> Vcc
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 02: -> GND
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 03: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 11: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 20: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 21: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 22: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 23: -> GND
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 24: -> Vcc
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 26: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 27: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 28: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 33: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 34: -> Vcc
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 35: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 38: -> Vcc
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 39: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 40: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 45: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 46: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: 47: -> Z
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Reading algorithm............: ID= 1: SDR
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Reading rule.................: ID= 336(PLNS=1 PLN=2116/2116 BLK=256/256)
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Autoverification.............: NO
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Timings.....................:
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: T1: 62.4 ns
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: T2: 20.8 ns
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: tREH: 83.2 ns
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: tRP: 83.2 ns
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Full period: 166.4 ns. Max Speed 5.731 Mb/s (SDR!)
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Back analisys.............: YES
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: Correct إرر...............: NO
[18.01.2015 00:22:32]: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[18.01.2015 00:22:34]: R/#B0 -> 1 -> Status Line OK!
[18.01.2015 00:22:34]: R/#B1 -> 1 -> Status Line OK!
[18.01.2015 00:22:42]: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[18.01.2015 00:22:42]: Background analysis report:
[18.01.2015 00:22:42]: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[18.01.2015 00:22:42]: Duration : 00:00:10 - Canceled by user
Author:  hamidbid [ January 18th, 2015, 4:36 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
how i can test with power mod ? because give me message need a some parameters

about clean and straight yes , i'm sure about clean and straight checked that many times


and about soft center i have not update for that ,then i can't used soft center tools for recovery


thanks for your suggettion
Author:  hamidbid [ January 18th, 2015, 4:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
about configure soft center
// Chip
Company Toshiba
Name ???
ID code 98 de 94 93

// Structure
Bus 8
Banks 1 x 8 GB
Page 17664
Block 0x0
Blocks 0x0

// Read
Cmd Std
Col 2
Row 3
DDR false

// Timings
RE_Up 4
RE_Down 4

// Special
Power
Skip_Mask_1 0xffffffff
Skip_Page_1 0xffffffff
Skip_Mask_2 0xffffffff
Skip_Page_2 0xffffffff
SE_ false


and pc3000

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Author:  HaQue [ January 18th, 2015, 5:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
In the PC3K settings, is that shown this is trying to read using DDR? I think this chip is not DDR.

I really do not know the PC3K tool..
Author:  hamidbid [ January 19th, 2015, 1:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
hi HaQue,

thyanks for guide

yes, i testing with another chose except ddr (sdr, col2 row3,... ) but no result

i'm doing another work , replace dumb soft center with pc3000 flash and now correctting data with ecc on
Author:  jeremyb [ January 20th, 2015, 1:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
hamidbid wrote:
replace dumb soft center with pc3000 flash and now correctting data with ecc on
Why is soft center dumb?
Author:  HaQue [ January 20th, 2015, 2:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
I think he means "dump" ;-)
Author:  Vladus [ February 16th, 2015, 2:38 ]
Post subject:  Re: pc3000 can't read but soft center nand reader can read
There is an issue with initial power mode for some chips.
Try this trick:
1. Reconnect PC-3000
2. Create new task
3. Insert chip into reader.
3. Start read ID and stop it immediately.
4. Set power modes 9 and 109.
5. Read ID and chip.
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