Resuming - Flash Work [ New Tools Of The Trade ]

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

Hello everyone ,
Our Company CDRLabs Was One Of The Initial Companies In India To buy PC 3000 Flash Tool .That Time I Dedicated Quite Some Time On Daily Basis To Learn DR For NAND Flash And Did Some Good Work Recovering My Clients DATA .Mostly Dead Pen Drives And SD/Compact Flash Cards .My Current Situation Is As Under

Tools Available

1 : NAND Flash Tool : Old Ver 1/2 Model Of Reader and Version 6.0 Software .Not Updated They Now Have Ver 4.0 Reader + Ver 7.0.2 Or 7.0.4 Software IMHO [ I Need Some Advice Here Will Ask Down In The Thread ]

2 : Microscope : 10x /20x and 40x [ Mostly 20x Is Fine For The Work IMHO ]

3 : Other Stuff Like Soldering Iron Etc Etc

Advice Required

Tool Update : Well We Have PC 3000 Flash / Rusolut And Softcenter As Fas As Good Tools Are concerned And From These Three .I Have Already Told you I Have Old PC 3000 Flash .I Am Fedup With Thier Constant Updates Of Hardware .You Buy Ver 1 They Have 2 Out You Get 2 They Have 3 Out and Now they Have Ver 4 .What Honestly I Can Do Is Renew TS and Update Software [ Use Some Other Tool To Read Chips ,Is This a Good Or Lousy Idea ,Cos Many Time Reading With The Same Tool Helps ] . Along With This In Mind I Would Like To Buy Another Tool [ Please Advice Me Rusolut Or Softcenter ] .

Some Stuff I Like To Ask More : During My Time Monoliths Had Just Started To Come And i Did Not Find Any Reason To Update .Now The Situation Is That Monoliths Rule .Could You Folks Please Advise Me The Following

1 : What To use To Remove [ Top Plastic Layer Properly ] , What Brand Copper Wire To Use , Soldering station Brand/Model and Bit , Fluxes You Propose , Solder Wire Recommended .Something Else That I Might Have Missed In My Post .

[HaQue]

Hi Amarbir, the monoliths and removing layer has alreasy been covered well recently, have a search around and I thinkyou will find all the answers right here on HDDGuru for this, and also the wire question. cheers

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

Hi Amarbir, the monoliths and removing layer has alreasy been covered well recently, have a search around and I thinkyou will find all the answers right here on HDDGuru for this, and also the wire question. cheers

Haque ,
Can You Folks Guide Me To Right Direction For The Second Tool i Should Buy Softcenter/Rusolut

[jeremyb]

Can You Folks Guide Me To Right Direction For The Second Tool i Should Buy Softcenter/Rusolut

Depends.. SS reader is standalone and costs a few hundred. You can turn it into a custom monolithic platform with all the tools you need for under $100. Rusolut has a monolithic platform but you must buy the entire package for a couple thousand. SS doesn't actively distribute pin-outs, Ace Lab's steals pin-outs and claims they solved them, not sure what RuSolut's policy is.

Monolithics aren't as simple as buy the equipment and recover monolithics. A few are but most aren't, even if you have all the tools a lot of practice is needed before you should EVER touch your clients drives.

Mediocre shops use mediocre techniques and get mediocre results often damaging the media. If you want to stand apart you must develop your own proprietary techniques for every step of the processes. Whatever information you glean from the forums or videos can help you shape your overall strategy but there is no definitive "this is how you do it" guide (even if they claim it to be).

[HaQue]

and... even when you have all the tools.. a full recovery using point-click-done is maybe 10% - 15% of the time without a bit of manual work, head scratching, getting help, and using your experience to get a result. I have over 600 devices and nearly every single one is different to each other in some way. if you want to be able to have the tools fully support each device with a clear and easy recovery method - it wont happen. R&D HAS to be constant, updates NEED to be very regular and MANY devices NEED to be studied by yourself to get anywhere. Tutorials will teach you a little of the basics, but you need to be prepared to invest in your chosen tools.

That's why I am proud to be a Rusolut Tech Partner - those guys and the other Tech Partners are doing an enormous amount of work to produce the tools and support as much as possible.. A lot of it doesn't get seen. Don't forget the "new" changes in flash we are being shown regularly, going to have to keep up with all that too. The more you know about flash, the more you know there is to know.. wait, what.. yeah that's it!!

[jeremyb]

That's why I am proud to be a Rusolut Tech Partner

Like when I found out ace and ru had retry for Hynix and Samsung NAND, I tried buying ru but couldn't stomach the high price so I watched the data bus on the chips and figured out the hidden register values controlling the retry values. Wrote it up and sent it to my readers development team, now I can read those chips which are very popular with monolithics

Does that make me a tech partner, lol.

My emphasis being you can't be passive, you must do all the hard work and can't expect anyone to come to your rescue. I started doing RD back in 2011 for monolithics and just started actively pursuing them in 2015.

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

Hi Amarbir, the monoliths and removing layer has alreasy been covered well recently, have a search around and I thinkyou will find all the answers right here on HDDGuru for this, and also the wire question. cheers

Hello,
I Will Patiently Read All Posts Today In This Flash Section and Revert Back if i Still Have a Issue Or Need Form Help From All Of You .

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

Can You Folks Guide Me To Right Direction For The Second Tool i Should Buy Softcenter/Rusolut

Depends.. SS reader is standalone and costs a few hundred. You can turn it into a custom monolithic platform with all the tools you need for under $100. Rusolut has a monolithic platform but you must buy the entire package for a couple thousand. SS doesn't actively distribute pin-outs, Ace Lab's steals pin-outs and claims they solved them, not sure what RuSolut's policy is.

Monolithics aren't as simple as buy the equipment and recover monolithics. A few are but most aren't, even if you have all the tools a lot of practice is needed before you should EVER touch your clients drives.

Mediocre shops use mediocre techniques and get mediocre results often damaging the media. If you want to stand apart you must develop your own proprietary techniques for every step of the processes. Whatever information you glean from the forums or videos can help you shape your overall strategy but there is no definitive "this is how you do it" guide (even if they claim it to be).

Hello ,
Is This a Typo That SS Reader + Monolith Platform Is USD 100 ? . Well Great To Hear About SS,Rusolut And Acelab Monolith Pinout Policy .Well I Understand What Monoliths Are Complex Specially When We Have To Find Out New Layout Pinouts .I Am Hopefull I Could Get a Pointer To How To Find Them .I Would Be Spending Time Reading Acelab Manuals And Also Literature Available To Me From rusolut .Rusolut Does Provide Training For Most of The Monolith Stuff .I am Nearing 40 Now and Have Been Doing Soldering Since class 3rd .Here is a Sample of Some Of My Tools .I Need Not Say More .I Do Not Need a How to Guide .My Question Was Direct i have told you what the current tool i have and whats the position of it currently [ So What Alternative Tool Do You Folks Suggest Rusolut/Softcenter ] .

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

and... even when you have all the tools.. a full recovery using point-click-done is maybe 10% - 15% of the time without a bit of manual work, head scratching, getting help, and using your experience to get a result. I have over 600 devices and nearly every single one is different to each other in some way. if you want to be able to have the tools fully support each device with a clear and easy recovery method - it wont happen. R&D HAS to be constant, updates NEED to be very regular and MANY devices NEED to be studied by yourself to get anywhere. Tutorials will teach you a little of the basics, but you need to be prepared to invest in your chosen tools.

That's why I am proud to be a Rusolut Tech Partner - those guys and the other Tech Partners are doing an enormous amount of work to produce the tools and support as much as possible.. A lot of it doesn't get seen. Don't forget the "new" changes in flash we are being shown regularly, going to have to keep up with all that too. The more you know about flash, the more you know there is to know.. wait, what.. yeah that's it!!

Well,
I Consider Myself To Be a Good Engineer Haque .This is What i Am Good At and Good For Nothing In Anything Else .Its Just That i Had Temp Stopped Chipoff Work due To Investment In Hard Drive Tools And My Self Training In That .So There is a Plus +1 From You For Rusolut .Now I Am Up For This Also .Yesterday I Nailed a complex Case Of SanDisk Pen Drive Recovery [ That Was Refused By All Engineers in My Area ] .Here is The Picture Of My Main electronic Station And The Case i Solved .



PS : Drive Was In Two Pieces .Restored All Tracks And Vias And Recovered 100%

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

That's why I am proud to be a Rusolut Tech Partner

Like when I found out ace and ru had retry for Hynix and Samsung NAND, I tried buying ru but couldn't stomach the high price so I watched the data bus on the chips and figured out the hidden register values controlling the retry values. Wrote it up and sent it to my readers development team, now I can read those chips which are very popular with monolithics

Does that make me a tech partner, lol.

My emphasis being you can't be passive, you must do all the hard work and can't expect anyone to come to your rescue. I started doing RD back in 2011 for monolithics and just started actively pursuing them in 2015.

Well,
In India New Financial Business Year Starts From 1st April Current Year and Finishes Up Next Year March 31st .I Too Started Professional Full Time Data Recovery This Year From April 2015 .Now i am Learning n Investing In New Updated Tools .What Do You Mean by This " Like when I found out ace and ru had retry for Hynix and Samsung NAND " . How did You Watch the Data Bus On a Scope Or a Logic analyser . What Tool Do You Have For Nand Flash [ I Mean Which Team You Send The Finding To Acelab ? ] .I Know I Have 4 To 5 Brilliant engineers In Monolith Field Here On HDDguru .I Have The Inclination and Determination To Do All The Hard Work and Reach The Level .I Am a Very Hard Working Soul

[jermy]

@Amarbir what's the model of the controller ?

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

@Amarbir what's the model of the controller ?

Sir ,
The Same Was " 82-00523-1 " .The 8 Could Be a 5 or 6 Too Not Sure .I did Not Do Chipoff Work I Restored The Drive Completely .

PS : There is Nothing Before 82 Like I Saw While Searching .

[jermy]

OK thanks, it's a 8
i'm looking for 82-00188-1 (or it's XOR)

[jeremyb]

Is This a Typo That SS Reader + Monolith Platform Is USD 100 ?

SS Reader is $210. For $100 or less you can make a monolithic platform for it.

Rusolut Does Provide Training For Most of The Monolith Stuff

No clue but like I said there is no one "unified" method they all have gaps so make a system that works for you.

I am Nearing 40 Now and Have Been Doing Soldering Since class 3rd. I Need Not Say More .I Do Not Need a How to Guide

Age is no guarantee of efficiency. Get a few donor monolithics with no contact pads and try soldering them to get perspective on their difficulty.

So What Alternative Tool Do You Folks Suggest Rusolut/Softcenter

What is your question? Which solution can read monolithic chips? They all can, the only requirement is that you're able to wire it into the adapter.

I Too Started Professional Full Time Data Recovery This Year From April 2015

I started doing Flash Data Recovery in 2007, in 2011 I started R&D into monolithics, in 2015 I felt competent enough to go mainstream with it.
My point being that yes, I "could" have mainstreamed monolithics in-between 2011 and 2015 but had to develop a reliable non-invasive solution that is better than every other method i've heard of..

It sounds like you gravely underestimate the difficulty of monolithics and want us to give you answers instead of you clicking the back button and scrolling half the page down to read the threads HaQue was talking about.

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[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

Is This a Typo That SS Reader + Monolith Platform Is USD 100 ?

SS Reader is $210. For $100 or less you can make a monolithic platform for it.

Rusolut Does Provide Training For Most of The Monolith Stuff

No clue but like I said there is no one "unified" method they all have gaps so make a system that works for you.

I am Nearing 40 Now and Have Been Doing Soldering Since class 3rd. I Need Not Say More .I Do Not Need a How to Guide

Age is no guarantee of efficiency. Get a few donor monolithics with no contact pads and try soldering them to get perspective on their difficulty.

So What Alternative Tool Do You Folks Suggest Rusolut/Softcenter

What is your question? Which solution can read monolithic chips? They all can, the only requirement is that you're able to wire it into the adapter.

It sounds like you gravely underestimate the difficulty of monolithics and want us to give you answers instead of you clicking the back button and scrolling half the page down to read the threads HaQue was talking about.

Hi ,
I Just Wanted a Pro Advice About What Alternative Tool i shall Buy .Kindly understand i Have Ver 1/2 Acelab PC 3000 Flash Tool .Useless For Monolith And Not Updated .I Am Not Underestimating The Complexity of Monolith .I Already Do Chipoff Work in Mobile Phone .Once i Have a Tool I Will Try Many Many Complex Monoliths Before i Do The Same For Clients And Post Online if i need some advice in a Process

[jeremyb]

I Just Wanted a Pro Advice About What Alternative Tool i shall Buy
Once i Have a Tool I Will Try Many Many Complex Monoliths

Any NAND reader with a breakout board/wire adapter, that's all you need. After that use whatever software assembler you have (eg: Ace Lab) and import the dumps.

Kindly understand i Have Ver 1/2 Acelab PC 3000 Flash Tool

I don't know ACE's product line well, does v2 have a port on the side, if so make you're own breakout board.

I Am Not Underestimating The Complexity of Monolith .I Already Do Chipoff Work in Mobile Phone

Yes you are, more than you can ever imagine. Chip off has no resemblance to monolithics.

[jermy]

i Have Ver 1/2 Acelab PC 3000 Flash Tool .Useless For Monolith And Not Updated

i don't own PC3K flash, but i don't understand why do you think that ace's flash can't read monolith the only diff. is the wiring, but it's not supposed to be difficult to wire a monolith chip to a tsop48 adapter

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

Any NAND reader with a breakout board/wire adapter, that's all you need. After that use whatever software assembler you have (eg: Ace Lab) and import the dumps.

Hi ,
I Have Heard The Tools Try Multiple Tricks While Reading And i Will Miss Those [ Like Variable Voltage ] . BTW The Ver 1 or 2 Acelab Product I Got did Not Come With Any Adapter .They Have Revised it 2 to 3 Times [ Current Being Ver 4.0 ] .

I don't know ACE's product line well, does v2 have a port on the side, if so make you're own breakout board.

Hi ,
My Model Does Not Have It .But i Can Make a PCB For TSOP48 And Try Monolith In It [ That is Gonna To Be a Tiny PCB For Some Monoliths Like SD Card Etc ] .

Yes you are, more than you can ever imagine. Chip off has no resemblance to monolithics.

Hi ,
Ok Let Me Get a Board Where i Could Solder a Monolith .I Will Start With The Most Complex One You Suggest [ How About a Micro SD Card ] . My Confidence is At Sky Level Man in This .

SS Reader is $210. For $100 or less you can make a monolithic platform for it.

Sure ,
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[jeremyb]

Try a UFD w/ 0.2 - 0.3mm diameter via's. That's normal. Solder 40 wires to all the via's and don't short any traces. Then tear down your work and do it again. That's a typical monolithic case. Also don't damage your media in the processes.

[Amarbir[CDR-Labs]]

Try a UFD w/ 0.2 - 0.3mm diameter via's. That's normal. Solder 40 wires to all the via's and don't short any traces. Then tear down your work and do it again. That's a typical monolithic case. Also don't damage your media in the processes.

OK,
i will try that once i get some hardware