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 Post subject: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: November 30th, 2023, 12:55 
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Hi,
AceLabs provides 3 training courses for HDD/Flash/Monolith Recovery with PC3000. I'm starting out in the data recovery world and want to know if this online training would be worth it if I do not have or plan to get PC3000 in the near future due to costs. Each training course costs around $850 except monolith which is more $ I'm sure and onsite. I currently use DFL-PCIe 4X Data Recovery Express and also Deepspar USB Stabilizer. Ive attached the course overviews. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: December 1st, 2023, 10:36 
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Well, that's a very good start, if you don't know anything about this area.
Of course, if you can take them (money wise), I think you should go for it.

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: December 1st, 2023, 15:31 
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If you're totally new to flash recovery, then perhaps you could read this primer before attending the course(s):

NAND Flash Data Recovery Cookbook (by Igor Sestanj):
http://adreca.net/NAND-Flash-Data-Recovery-Cookbook.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: December 1st, 2023, 17:09 
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I would skip the basic one on flash. You'll get more from YT videos.

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2023, 3:54 
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fzabkar wrote:
If you're totally new to flash recovery, then perhaps you could read this primer before attending the course(s):

NAND Flash Data Recovery Cookbook (by Igor Sestanj):
http://adreca.net/NAND-Flash-Data-Recovery-Cookbook.pdf


Thank you so much fzabkar
I am looking for exactly the same.


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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2023, 4:30 
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and the 2 VNR books at rusolut.com and all their knowledgebase material. They also do training. Anything Flash is going to cost a bit, can be tough for starters


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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: April 18th, 2024, 11:32 
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never buy pc3000 flash even thier training
1 day online cost me 650euro and it worth only 50euro
it was 4 hours the first two hours was introducing and general things
the second starts some vedios which was uploaded in thier youtube channel and then starts 3 cases no more
I hope some one could told me that befor wasting that amount of money :?


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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 25th, 2024, 7:11 
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I actually purchased the pc3000 portable set paying close to 18k is aud. Went through two training sessions and iv learned absolutely nothing. The user interface is too complicated for your average techs. Most data recovery software we buy online actually do better than the acelen sorry to say. Now I’m stuck with a kit I don’t know how to use and I can’t even sell it


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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 25th, 2024, 8:44 
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Well, it is a difficult matter, because understanding the UI requires a lot of knowledge about the devices one wants to recover data from. They can help learning the UI but to start from scratch, it is a very steep learning curve. I think you cannot expect them to teach the basics of DR, if you are not into the field at all. The knowledge that comes with years of experience does not settle in a few days of online training. Seems like your expectations were irreal.

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 25th, 2024, 14:37 
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People tend to think that DR is a business like any other, but unfortunately it isn't.

There's too much stuff even a pro IT tech or any other kind of pro, cannot grasp at first.

Training will not give you a full understanding of how everything works. Just to understand what a specific firmware module does or how all the pieces come together takes a lot of time.

I still remember my first tools from Salvation Data, when I thought (as they said to me many times) that you click a couple of buttons and you can make a lot of money hahahaha

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 26th, 2024, 12:53 
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I have just had three students here. All from scratch. Their final test was to recover data from a WD given to them with many induced firmware faults. The cool bit was i gave them the hdd without PCB attached to it.
They had the full lab at disposal. They would pass only if they recover data fully from it.

One was taught on DFL, other two were taught MRT. They are doing pretty well in their area.
One already got his hands on PC3k UDMA. The DFL guy is going to get his UDMA this year.

I had a vague idea to conduct a training session in the Himalayas. People from the west can come from over the world and learn in the Himalayas about data recovery while enjoying nature. Never launched it due to my sheer laziness :)

It depends on how well the teacher knows the concepts and how well he can communicate it and fill the blank pages of his students mind. ACE knows it all undoubtedly..perhaps they cant impart it comfortably? perhaps the reviews above are not correct ...perhaps they are correct...very difficult to judge what the company has to offer and what it has offered in the form of training. I never took training.

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 26th, 2024, 18:09 
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dwancengiz wrote:
I actually purchased the pc3000 portable set paying close to 18k is aud.

Let's face it. Ace are asking their customers to pay twice for something that they mostly already have. The portable system basically only adds support for NVMe SSDs. Why not produce a crippled version of the portable which provides only those features which their existing customers need? It's essentially just another expensive IP protection dongle, so a customisation of the firmware would be all that would be required.

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 27th, 2024, 4:48 
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fzabkar wrote:
Why not produce a crippled version of the portable which provides only those features which their existing customers need?

They did. In a way... Portable PRO has 3 nvme ports. So now even those who bought Portable only for nvme are (not)happy :)

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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 27th, 2024, 8:10 
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No sata ports ?


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 Post subject: Re: PC3000 Training
PostPosted: May 27th, 2024, 10:45 
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It's all like Portable III but now all ports are nvme supported too. And USB is separate so you can work with 4 drives at the same time. Luckily it's not the same case as with PC3k Mobile pro that it has totally different functions than a non pro version.

Now you can work with 3 NVMe PCIe SSDs at the same time;
USB Port has become independent, and it works simultaneously with other ports. So 4 ports are available at once in the new PC-3000 Portable PRO;
Oscilloscope mode is available now to check the power supply consumption of the connected drives
The new touch screen with the new “User friendly” Menu in StandAlone mode for more comfortable and convenient usage;
Range of improvements (extended ROM and RAM capacity) for better performance;
Other enhancements will be described at the launch of the product.

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