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 Post subject: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 12th, 2010, 18:06 
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Urgent help

I need electrical diagram emulator pc 3000
Does the same role pc 3000 ..
summarized this map any function emulator


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 12th, 2010, 18:14 
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Are you actually asking for a schematic of the PC3000?

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 12th, 2010, 21:24 
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Why do you not ask ACE?? I am sure they would love to give this one to you :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 13th, 2010, 2:58 
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He needs urgent help for this one :D


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 13th, 2010, 9:52 
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I'd skip ACE tech support and go directly to their lawyer. I'm sure that they'd be happy to give you a schematic of the lawsuit that will follow, if you continue to pursue.

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 15th, 2010, 2:38 
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Spildit wrote:
Here you have it,
Hope this helps :

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I see you got the version without the front mounted Data Extractor add on!


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
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Spildit wrote:
Here you have it,
Hope this helps :

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I see you got the version without the front mounted Data Extractor add on!


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 15th, 2010, 2:38 
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Sorry about the multiple posts I don't know what happened there!


Last edited by granaryloaf on July 15th, 2010, 2:40, edited 1 time in total.

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 16th, 2010, 5:30 
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I'd skip ACE tech support and go directly to their lawyer. I'm sure that they'd be happy to give you a schematic of the lawsuit that will follow, if you continue to pursue.

I think the OP is asking for an "emulator", ie a device that is functionally identical to, but not electrically or physically identical to, PC3K hardware. I'm not sure what the legal or ethical position would be on that.

In any case, I'd like to see Ace Laboratory's patents, if they have any.


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 16th, 2010, 6:30 
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ok, so this prompts me to ask a question I've always wanted to ask
(NB I dont have a PC3k)
The PC3K hardware still interacts with the disk via the IDE interface
(and probably has a sata interface as well)
(and lets ignore the serial terminal interface side of it for now)

Can someone confirm that all it does is send special ata commands to the disk
to do its magic
The magic being in how it knows what to send and how to interpret it
Plus maybe some documentation on special jumper settings to use on certain drive to put them into 'safe-mode'
Plus a libary of loaders and modules
Plus ongoing development of new loaders etc for new HD models

So if we knew the magic and the knowledge, we could do the same sort of things with mhdd scripts or our own custom programs that sends ata commands etc


Ditto for the Salvation product (is it data compass or xx disk doctor) ?

Can someone confirm

Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 16th, 2010, 6:32 
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Plus probes / info for bypassing ata disk passwords on some disk models
Plus terminal connection lead and functionality and documentation

[Can anyone else add to this list if I'm missed anything]


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 19th, 2010, 10:35 
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(just reposting in case anyone would care to speculate on how it works)
(and if anyone incl Acelab would like to give the hard sell as to all the features it includes and provides)


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 19th, 2010, 10:37 
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Adding comment from a similar ongoing thread that effectively comments on this topic


"Who do you think writes this software? Or are automated and specific repair commands freely available on google? I seriously doubt this....

And as for using Hardware simply to stop piracy, I am sure you are right because Microsoft obvously included specific ATA commands and power control features within the Windows OS....

Regarding PC3000, you are not simply paying for software. You are paying for the years and years of research and developments in data recovery which have al been compiled into a software package for convenience. "


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
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Adding comment from a similar ongoing thread that effectively comments on this topic


"Who do you think writes this software? Or are automated and specific repair commands freely available on google? I seriously doubt this....

And as for using Hardware simply to stop piracy, I am sure you are right because Microsoft obvously included specific ATA commands and power control features within the Windows OS....

Regarding PC3000, you are not simply paying for software. You are paying for the years and years of research and developments in data recovery which have al been compiled into a software package for convenience. "


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 19th, 2010, 11:34 
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Another item for the list of PC3000 features

- the ability to power up / down the drive under software control


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 19th, 2010, 11:47 
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IF you have the time and a good brain you can make this product yourself. You don't need the UDMA hardware that Ace provide.

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 19th, 2010, 13:16 
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Time and a good brain. Hummm... Most people with a good brain have lots to do with there time. But, yes I think it would be a fun project. Now about that brain... any suggestions? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 19th, 2010, 17:39 
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I'm just saying that most is not overly complicated. BUT you do need plenty of time and a good brain for HWHacking ;o)

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 21st, 2010, 6:06 
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ok, so this prompts me to ask a question I've always wanted to ask
(NB I dont have a PC3k)
The PC3K hardware still interacts with the disk via the IDE interface
(and probably has a sata interface as well)
(and lets ignore the serial terminal interface side of it for now)

Can someone confirm that all it does is send special ata commands to the disk
to do its magic
The magic being in how it knows what to send and how to interpret it
Plus maybe some documentation on special jumper settings to use on certain drive to put them into 'safe-mode'
Plus a libary of loaders and modules
Plus ongoing development of new loaders etc for new HD models


Thats right, PC-3000 uses two IDE slots to connect IDE drives or adapters for other drives. As I can see from MHDD manual, it can do only basic things and it is not designed to fix service area modules or perform their diagnostics.
Manual says we can only see SMART, read write sectors from surface and set/ remove passwords and change some drive's settings (HPA, noise parameters
LBA48 etc). its not possible to interact directly to drive's service area with this product.

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So if we knew the magic and the knowledge, we could do the same sort of things with mhdd scripts or our own custom programs that sends ata commands etc


Did not found any descriptions for this in MHDD Manual. If you've got one, please show it to me. mhdd - its a tool to light data recovery cases.

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Ditto for the Salvation product (is it data compass or xx disk doctor) ?

Can someone confirm

Thanks


Its rather difficult to compare two products since they are not equal and they are created for different types customers. You are right, it takes years before your hard drive researches start working for you. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent help
PostPosted: July 29th, 2010, 14:04 
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lol. I am sure folks from SalvationData have plenty of time and good brains, however, they are 'little' far from ACE. And it is not just a man working, rather a team of professionals.
About ATA commands, there is a source, but will take you a looooong time to understand it and interpret it, then make it work for data recovery purposes.
As for ACE hardware, 90% of it is piracy protection, 10%, as others said is for software controll over power, and some other features, such as reading with patching, send different types of commands and resets, execute some of the scripts on a hardware level, etc.
I disagree that it takes just time and good brain to develop a tool, such as PC3K. You need a team of professionals in hard drive industry and electronic engineering, who are willing to spend years on research to develop a similar tool, which, most likely no one will buy, as in Russia paychecks are diffirent from most of the countries, and the cost of the tool developed in richer countries will exceed the cost of PC3K toolkit, and I doubt will have more features than PC3K


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