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Author:  lcoughey [ August 1st, 2013, 11:02 ]
Post subject:  DeepSpar SAS Imager
It is now official, DeepSpar has done it again! They have developed the first official SAS data recovery imager on the market.

http://www.deepspar.com/blog/SAS-Drives.html

Great job DeepSpar!

Edit: This forum really needs a separate DeepSpar thread.
Author:  digitalferret [ August 1st, 2013, 17:02 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
new PC3k express, New Deepspar, ...new Atola?

Dear Santa letters going in early =)
Author:  northwind [ August 2nd, 2013, 2:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
Is there a known approx. price?
Author:  HaQue [ August 2nd, 2013, 2:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
it is about $outtamybudget from memory
Author:  ccc [ August 2nd, 2013, 4:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
lcoughey wrote:
Edit: This forum really needs a separate DeepSpar thread.



I agree with that.
Author:  lcoughey [ August 2nd, 2013, 9:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
It should be noted that this unit is a SAS only unit, thus why it will be priced higher than DDI4. You can clone to SATA drives, but due to the limitations of the SAS controller, SATA drives cannot be supported. Because of this, DeepSpar understands that the audience for this product is going to be significantly smaller than that for the DDI4...and the cost development and production is significantly higher.

If you only have 1 or 2 SAS drive projects in the run of a year, I don's suspect that you will or should be rushing out to buy one of these units.
Author:  craig6928 [ August 2nd, 2013, 10:36 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
not worth the money
luke is right if your only going to do 1 or 2 sas drives a year its not paying for itself


its not worth the money.

for sure it go down in prices with in 3 years


for the card im thinking its around $9,000 or more

only company will buy that is ontrack :lol:
Author:  dobrevjetser [ August 2nd, 2013, 10:38 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
We got a cloning speed of 100000 KB/min but they allready got 150000 KB/min from newer drives.
Author:  lcoughey [ August 2nd, 2013, 12:31 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
craig6928 wrote:
its not worth the money.

for sure it go down in prices with in 3 years

for the card im thinking its around $9,000 or more

only company will buy that is ontrack :lol:

I don't think it is fair to post a price if you never even called to find out what it is. I doubt that there would be a price drop on this product...there hasn't been one for DDI, yet.

Yes, I imagine that this product appeals to Ontrack and most other professional labs, but definitely not to the computer shop who offers data recovery on the side.
Author:  digitalferret [ August 2nd, 2013, 13:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
First Aiders will seldom argue the cost of a new MRI scanner as it's a county hospital level product.

Specialist gear: Ultra Pro market. No harm in fulfilling that demand.

Kudos to the guys at Deepspar. #Progress
Author:  einstein9 [ August 2nd, 2013, 14:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
craig6928 wrote:
not worth the money
luke is right if your only going to do 1 or 2 sas drives a year its not paying for itself


its not worth the money.

for sure it go down in prices with in 3 years


for the card im thinking its around $9,000 or more

only company will buy that is ontrack :lol:


I Disagree with you here my dear.

Whoever is running Servers with SAS means they can afford paying when the time comes to Data and i mean Series Data

As an example: Some time ago Client Dropped his Drive (Pro. Photographer Company) and they PAID like 10,000$ for Urgent Service (more or less)

Big Companies with Series Data Storage/App. never Care about the Price, the most important part is the Service, and how Pro. you are running your Biz.

You might get your money back from SAS Imager from the 1st. Client -------- Who Knows. right? :mrgreen:
Author:  craig6928 [ August 2nd, 2013, 20:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
true if your doing work for a corporation company yes for sure
they would pay no problem.
as they put it all against there taxes
Author:  craig6928 [ August 2nd, 2013, 20:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
lcoughey wrote:
craig6928 wrote:
its not worth the money.

for sure it go down in prices with in 3 years

for the card im thinking its around $9,000 or more

only company will buy that is ontrack :lol:

I don't think it is fair to post a price if you never even called to find out what it is. I doubt that there would be a price drop on this product...there hasn't been one for DDI, yet.

Yes, I imagine that this product appeals to Ontrack and most other professional labs, but definitely not to the computer shop who offers data recovery on the side.


why is it not fair to post a price on the card
is the card a lot cheaper lol
with the looks of the card it going to be expensive

the Russians are well up on the technology side of data recovery business

only downside to this company that makes these products
that there policy on some of there products are blackmailing you
with there terms and condition

there is only one company that does not do this and that is atola
Author:  lcoughey [ August 2nd, 2013, 20:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
craig6928 wrote:
why is it not fair to post a price on the card
is the card a lot cheaper lol
with the looks of the card it going to be expensive

for most, yes...for you, I suggest that they charge you what you are thinking.
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the Russians are well up on the technology side of data recovery business

DeepSpar is a Canadian company.
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only downside to this company that makes these products
that there policy on some of there products are blackmailing you
with there terms and condition

Show me.
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there is only one company that does not do this and that is atola

I think you are misinformed.
Author:  craig6928 [ August 3rd, 2013, 1:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
DeepSpar is a Canadian company.

it might be a canadian company but it was not born here
its a division of the main office in russia




Quote:
only downside to this company that makes these products
that there policy on some of there products are blackmailing you
with there terms and condition

Show me.

terms and condition on some of there units before you buy PC-3000 for Windows UDMA remains yours and you can not sell it on
must be destroyed etc.

deepspar your ok no issue there no licence.
this one you can buy on open market.


PC-3000 Flash SSD Edition no issue with selling this on have to pay for updates yearly



a company who just closed down as the person was going to Retirement

was selling there 3 pc systems with PC-3000 for Windows UDMA
but the licence with it is not transferable unit it dies with the orginal buyer.
tried to sell them and nobody wants them



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there is only one company that does not do this and that is atola

I think you are misinformed.

ok in a way atola charges you for updates of the software.
which is fine no issue

but what atola does not do in the market

is turn around and tell you that you can not sell your product to the open market

this is good business practice.


acelaboratory. control the market on most of there products.

where it should be a open market
people will pay for updates which would be more money $$$$$$$$$$$$



for the cost of a deepspar sas imager its a good price for sure
maybe we will get one very soon
as we like a good challege with sas drives
Author:  hddguy [ August 22nd, 2013, 12:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
craig6928 wrote:
not worth the money


craig6928 wrote:

only company will buy that is ontrack


craig6928 wrote:
its not worth the money.


A majority of large RAID systems I receive are SAS. With extremely limited commercial support for image of defective SAS disks, this is a great tool that (in my case) would return my investment in just 1 or 2 jobs.
Author:  Corsari [ September 26th, 2013, 2:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
@hddguy

I agree with you, but I'm always a little bit skeptical about those same companies, which avoid me to think about buying such kind of interfaces previously I was thinking about PC-3000 SCSI.

Ok, things may go wrong, and they did to a couple of companies who we have recovered their SANs. But as you read, we have recovered them.

Anyway, let's read.

Things may go wrong and they can loose a second drive before the first one is replaced (in a degraded raid, obviously)
Things may go even worst: their 1th level backup maybe failed too
Things may go even much more worst: their 2nd level backup (tapes) may be unreadable

ok that had happen, yes!, you may believe it or not and we saved their ass(es)

The point is another: averagely an company that has the budget to buy and hold an SAN or an BIG server, usually
- has a cluster
(nowadays also the micro businesses may have a private cluster and private cloud for less than 4000$ see here http://www.fastec.eu/clusterbiz/)
and or
- has a DR (disaster recovery plan)

so it is only in a crazy scenario (ok, it has happen and it can also repeats) but it would be an exception in the exception that an "environment" where SAS drives are present that an incident would not be super-prevented

In other words, buying an optimum device as SAS imager or PC-3000 SCSI would also mean "hope" that an super business customer's company would be so silly that forget to think about drives failure.

Here we say (sorry it is a popular saying) "who lives hoping, dies defecating"

Adding up, usually (and this decreases the justify of any SCSI SAS recovery tool investment amount):
do all of us remember how does it work and RAID 5 or (even worst/better) an RAID 6?

The above silly business company, will be able to loose its storage if one drive fails? Yes, again it may happen, they can be so silly to use spare drives that will rebuild automatically in an RAID with too elderly drives, while we all know, that before an rebuild in presence of elderly drives, a full backup is a must,

it may happen but again we would add up hope to hope

and last but FIRST, as said above, you do need a double (RAID 5) or triple (RAID 6) drive failure to find yourself in that situation that would avoid an RAID reconstruction and RAID data recovery.

last but not least google SERPs (indexing/SEO): are you in the first 5 positions? Which turns in to: Will that failed (silly) business customer just call you?

which is translated in the following simple consideration

buy and SCSI/SAS device for some xx.000$ and the hoping+hoping+hoping+hoping that cases will generate and call exactly you...

if you do your business in this way... you may hurt yourself so much.

That is why on one hand, such devices are expensive because of the fact you will not produce/sell so many, but on the other hand, watching which kind of "situation" they shall recover, it is more a fact of "bet" than a business plan, and so, IMPO they should be much more a "bundle" like
dear appreciated and valuable customer, if you buy our main device, you can buy this additional one for an reasonable amount

which would turn that business other way around, many requests, many devices, lower production cost, increased business also for the main device they sell which would lead in an extremely increased overall business (ok, both Acelab and DeepSpar may hire me for Business Development Consultancy AHAHAHAHAH)

Ciao!

Cor

P.S. we have recovered one really bad situation in the above mentioned craziness: one HP server' RAID 5 with Citrix XenServer had failed brutally, we had recovered the 4th SAS drive out of 5 (no need of the devices, as happen too much times :-) ) and reconstructed the RAID but the situation was damaged twice
- slight RAID damages
- the consultants of that customer, during the first misadventure (there has been a double disk failure), have had the time to reinstall the Citrix system wiping out (and blowing off) the filesystem on which Citrix relies and deposits the VDIs (virtual disk images)
as final result, the only thing that was present on the RAID volume was a brand new fresh install of a Citrix XenServer and the rest a RAW device space
- no answer from any kind of LVM command, total disruption

we did it!

which turns us into an Citrix Data Recovery specialized company + into an LVM2 Data Recovery company
Author:  Alexii [ May 15th, 2014, 10:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
Not to be a necro , but if anyone is searching for the price ( as i was ) it varies between 5K Canadian to 6K Canadian depending if they have a sale or not.
Author:  databack [ May 15th, 2014, 15:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: DeepSpar SAS Imager
DeepSpar says:

The only data recovery tool for SAS drives right now is the DeepSpar SAS Imager ($5,000).
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