New head removal tool from HDRC - anyone got one yet?

[sknopp]

Just discovered that HDRC is now making a head stack removal tool similar to the one sold by Hddsurgery. I imagine the alloy tool would hold up better than plastic, but the alloy one is 3x as much. Anyone care to share their experiences?

[drc]

I don't think I would even begin to have any confidence in it

[pinoy]

used both and a few others in my mates data lab. hdrc has a toyish feel. quite dangerously stiff to work with.
hddsurgery tool is a professional tool, precise and simply goes with the flow.

saying that, however the techs in the lab uses their own homebrew universal tool that is quite engenius and i'd guestimate to cost less than 50 bucks.

[Russwinters]

Well sure, the physical tool costs ~$50, same as with HDDsurgery tools. The materials themselves are nothing. The price comes from the amount of time and research had to go in to it's design.

A tool may SEEM simple to create, but once you are the one sitting in front of the drawing board, with a hard drive in your hand you will see a very different perspective. That is the fun of this field though!

[pinoy]

Well sure, the physical tool costs ~$50, same as with HDDsurgery tools. The materials themselves are nothing. The price comes from the amount of time and research had to go in to it's design.

Wont reveal anything regarding their tool other than....
It took me literally 10secs to clip it onto the headstack of a 7200.11 seagate hdd with 3 platters. the principle is so simple its one of those "why didn't i think of that".

Its a classic case of thinking outside the box!

i've asked my mate if he will ever sell it to the dr community. and the answer is no. and he told me today he is keeping an eye on what I have said in this forum .

i am in a privilege position to have access to his lab so all remains confidential on what is confidential. he is a dr specialist and my forte is in networks & data forensics.
.edit.
I simply use and play with his tools.. cos i don't have the mind of a DR's genius creativity! many of the guru's here i see share this trait.

[crecomp]

Personally i would not use thier tools, i purchased their head swap sets a long time ago and they were absolute crap, if you want to waste your money go ahead and buy thier tools, if you are serious about what you do, use the correct tools, i use both my own made tools for these drives and the tools by hddsurgery, they are a great tool

[pinoy]

Personally i would not use thier tools,

having first hand experience with this so called newhead removal tool from hdrc, I WOULD NOT at all use it in my own work.

I see that they have released a video on a demo of that tool. THAT IS EXACTLY what I experienced. keep an eye on how the tool works... VERY STIFF.

btw on my previous post i was referring to my mates homebrew tool (i shouldn't call it homebrew as it is professionally made inhouse tool).

That I would use and also hddsurgerys tool.

[thatdellguy]

I feel they should send me the new head tools for free since I paid for their old head and platter tools, which were TOTAL CRAP!!! HDRC is a scam and has lost all my faith in whatever tool they produce. If you like to waste money then by all means buy their tools.

[hddguy]

I paid for their old head and platter tools, which were TOTAL CRAP!!!

Me too, will never purchase anything from HDRC again...

[helpdisc]

They have copyed my design. And they did not use it good. Some things just need to be done the whey they should. We keep on design they will copy , but samsung or .10 tool they can not make out of plastic.
New tool samsung-head-change-tools-t133-t166-t17125.html
Thanks to all guys that said our tools are good. It realy means a lot to us.

[hddguy]

When they copy your tools I think it must be very annoying, but we all know HDRC = total crap, and helpdisc = good quality and expertly manufactured tools

[hdrc]

Hi...we just share whatever we are having to do succesessful data recovery and definetitily we have to share ...not scam...

HDRC Team

[hdrc]

Just discovered that HDRC is now making a head stack removal tool similar to the one sold by Hddsurgery. I imagine the alloy tool would hold up better than plastic, but the alloy one is 3x as much. Anyone care to share their experiences?

Hi ..As regards for new updated read write head tools we use Derlin as if we use alloy they can destroy the surface of read write area or platter ...and may be the tech and thouhts are diffrent...

[code_slave]

On your choice of materials
1. Actually it is "DELRIN"
2. DELRIN is a SELF-LUBRICATING plastic. (Chances are the 'lubricant' is a glycol based material)


Forgive my question, but if Delrin is "self-lubricating", exactly WHAT is it lubricating the head stack/platter with?
Or do you consider introducing an unknown lubricant to a head assembly/platter is ok, do you have any paperwork or research on the compatibility of the material?

[hdrc]

On your choice of materials
1. Actually it is "DELRIN"
2. DELRIN is a SELF-LUBRICATING plastic. (Chances are the 'lubricant' is a glycol based material)


Forgive my question, but if Delrin is "self-lubricating", exactly WHAT is it lubricating the head stack/platter with?
Or do you consider introducing an unknown lubricant to a head assembly/platter is ok, do you have any paperwork or research on the compatibility of the material?

Dear Mr SLAVE...
1. You are absolutely right as my English is not good.. as English is not my first language...as this word is conveyed by our manufacturing /tool room deptt..
2. Definetily you are absolutily right that DELRIN is a SELF-LUBRICATING plastic BUT this material is only LUBRICATE in the process of moulding and after getting the finished product the tools are not lubricated or not having any property of self LUBRICATION..

Please Forgive my answer ,but Delrin is much safer than other hard material...
Best Regards

[helpdisc]

Dear Sir,
copy is very comon word. Even in place where You are.
Because of You and some other poepple we had to patent our tools
wich costed us time and money. I think You do not do fair buisnies.
Nikola

[hdrc]

Dear Sir,
copy is very comon word. Even in place where You are.
Because of You and some other poepple we had to patent our tools
wich costed us time and money. I think You do not do fair buisnies.
Nikola

Dear Sir,
We do physical data recovery from past 14 years and may be you are also share this world of physical data recovery may be same /longer/shorter...as we didnt purchase any read write head tool from your company and worldwide and may be your thoughts and our thougths are totaly diffrent to do sucessful data recovery and may be the products are totally diffrent ...as we already develop these read write head tools more than two years back for our own requirement to cater for automated data recovery tools and our own inhouse requirements including many other tools...and any company/any person can produce the tools for there own requirements and may be many data recovery companies are having thease types of tools but they didnt share after investing lot of time and money...as if we produce the read write head tools to cater our own requirements you cant???? or if we say we are the first person to manufacture the read write head tools and you cant make ????or are copy our idea ???may be our launch date is differ after sevral thoughts including testing of the read write head tools or any one cant make the automated tools...but this world is free for there own innovations including cater there own requirements...
Best Regards

[helpdisc]

Dear Sir
Can You show us a picture of previous tool?
head-change-tool-t8382.html?hilit=maxtor head change tool
Peopple here see how we developed tools for 2 years.
We will improve our tools and You will still be at least 12 months behing like You are.
If someone spoke like this about my tools, I would put finger on my head and asked my self what I am doing wrong, instead of making already lost point.
All the best
Nikola

[code_slave]

you know , it is exactly this sort of thing that worries me when I do consultancy work.

Lack of material research and system processing.

I will say again
DELRIN is a SELF-LUBRICATING
that means for the life of the material it self lubricates at a microscopic level, you do not need to 'add' any lubricant it exudes from the surface of the material.
That is WHY it is used in bearings ,because it self-lubricates FOREVER. It is a function of plastic chemistry, additionally it is a hard wearing material again why it is used in bearings.

There is the issue of molding plastic parts, a silicon oil (mould release agent)is injected into the mold tool to assist in the release of plastic parts, this can be cleaned off, since it is only done during injection, but it still exists until it is cleaned off.

Plastics are NOT inert they interact with their environment, some gas, some lubricate, some gain 20% by moisture absorption and other decompose rapidly.

That said my initial question has been answered

[pinoy]

They have copyed my design. And they did not use it good.

I don't agree with that! This claim is as good as the argument as with the ACE vs SALVATION

Many here had the same concepts in their mind. But most could not resource a way to produce it due to different reasons.

If they directly moulded your design or reproduced it exactly then that's a different story.

Side by side there are many differences.

Effectiveness I guess they will both do the same job at the end (depends on who uses them).

In terms of operational value, ease of use and quality there is no doubt who is the clear winner! helpdisc

I will highlight again, using HDRC requires much more time and care to operate due to the STIFFNESS factor.

Saying that I can see how hdrc will make its mark in the market due to its pricing of its tool (although i personally dont even think it's cheap).

I for one still prefer the inhouse tool my mate developed as it does not require any screwing at all.