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 Post subject: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non functional.
PostPosted: May 4th, 2015, 9:06 
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Looking for pc3000 (green card) functional of not. Don't need attachments. Please pm me thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non function
PostPosted: May 4th, 2015, 9:29 
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ISA, PCI, UDMA, EXPRESS, Chinese clone or what ?

All of them are green and you can't transfer the licence from one user to another, so unless you are looking for a chinese pci clone and you already have the rest of the hardware then this is not going to work

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non function
PostPosted: May 4th, 2015, 10:47 
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Maybe he's just looking to reverse engineer his own pirated PC-3000. :D

There's really nothing that special about the hardware itself. From what I can tell, it's a pretty basic control card which just has it's own special drivers so Windows doesn't try to access it.

F.L.A.M.E. guys apparently built a similar system using an off the shelf card which I'm guessing they just flashed with custom firmware.

It's really more about being able to lock the software (which is where all the real secrets are) to the hardware so it can't be pirated easily, and doesn't suffer from OS interference.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non function
PostPosted: May 4th, 2015, 12:53 
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Maybe he's just looking to reverse engineer his own pirated PC-3000. :D

There's really nothing that special about the hardware itself. From what I can tell, it's a pretty basic control card which just has it's own special drivers so Windows doesn't try to access it.

F.L.A.M.E. guys apparently built a similar system using an off the shelf card which I'm guessing they just flashed with custom firmware.

It's really more about being able to lock the software (which is where all the real secrets are) to the hardware so it can't be pirated easily, and doesn't suffer from OS interference.


Acelabs would be very sad with this statment.
For someone who have a pc3k unit you don't apear to know allot about the potentials of your firmware tool.

- Windows have access to it, there is a pc3k driver that allow windows to interface with the pc3k card.

- Hardware card bypass BIOS. If your BIOS sends the security lock command, for example, drives on the pc3k card are not afected.

- PC3K cards have the VSC on the card, not on the software, so the secrets are on the card.

- Power module on the card with power switching relay, you can power off/on if drive is stuck on busy.

- Card "emulates" Ata Register on windows. If drive is stuck on busy the card reports as if all is normal so your windows don't crash.

And so on...

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non function
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Yes, the card can do some great things like power cycle the drives etc. But I'm pretty sure the VSC are stored in the software, not the card, otherwise you'd have to update the firmware every time a new family is added (which you don't have to do, just a software update does it).

And even if you do mount the drive, the software is what handles all the interfacing with Windows. It uses a virtual driver which communicates to the Data Extractor software, then the software communicates back to the actual PC-3000 card.

Don't get me wrong, I love my PC-3000. Couldn't get by without it. I'm just saying the real magic is in the software, while the hardware mostly just acts as a buffer between it and the OS.

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- Ok ... :D

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non function
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olá spildit!
I don't want it to work... that's why I wrote: "functional of not". "Don't need attachments" and "preferably non functional."
I understand they pretty much useless. I want the PCB.

Must be original please.

Do you have an old one I can buy por favor?? .:)

Please PM if so.


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IMHO the hardware is one giant software protection device :D

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non function
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olá spildit!
I don't want it to work... that's why I wrote: "functional of not". "Don't need attachments" and "preferably non functional."
I understand they pretty much useless. I want the PCB.

Must be original please.

Do you have an old one I can buy por favor?? .:)

Please PM if so.


Sorry...

I don't have any for sale.

But i will PM you in a moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for pc3000, (green card )preferably non function
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guru wrote:
IMHO the hardware is one giant software protection device :D


Pretty much.

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