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 Post subject: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 26th, 2010, 23:03 
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Is there anyway to erase an email without detection if someone does an hard drive wipe?. I got fired from my job and found a job with a competitor and now my ex employer wants to scan my hard drive to see if I've used any information. OF course I have a couple of emails that could cause a problem. Is there anyway to erase these emails without anyone detecting they were erased?

I'm only trying to make a living and feed my family...Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 2:24 
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There are many way to get whatever you had in your computer including emails, the question is how good are they on doing it? and who`s working on it?

Forensic Evidence has no limit, this is based from my experience, if they want they will find.
my only advice is this:

Get the HDD out, get new one, install everything as is, fixed it back inside, and you are done.

"When everything else falls, destroy all the evidence and start from scratch"

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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 3:13 
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It can be done, but reverse forensics costs more than dr or forensics


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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 6:49 
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EMERGENCY WIPE TECHNIQUE (QUICK BUT A BIT COSTLY)
If you still got the HDD then accidentally put a hammer through it several times and no level of forensics will help here.

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INTERMEDIATE (QUICK OS BASED- FREE)
Then you need to use some software to WIPE the file. I tried to look for something i used to use before it was great - you right clicked on a file and you could wipe it with 1 pass/ multi pass or some other algorithmic complete scramble (but i cannot remember what program it was- i thought it was ccleaner.. but its not)
Sorry man - cant remember now

Check this out though
http://www.thefreecountry.com/security/ ... lete.shtml

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LONG (FREE BUT COULD TAKE A DAY)
You can use Hirens Boot cd - it has some extreme wipe-ing software on it too (boot from it- Select Darik's Boot and Nuke i thinkg and confirm several times that data will be destroyed)(this will wipe the entire drive)
Re install windows and try to make it look like it was before

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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 6:58 
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McAfee had as part of it's security suite a secure wipe of the recycle
bin. Don't know if they still do, and not sure if it cleaned all traces off
the drive. But one would assume it did. Of course it would still be up
to user to make sure they had deleted everything.


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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 7:51 
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This might help you http://eraser.heidi.ie/


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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 9:20 
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You are aware that this is illegal, yes?

Honestly I'm surprised that anyone here is trying to help with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 11:19 
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I am not bound to any legalities with the OP- he asked how to destroy data.. I tell.
He ask how to recover data- i tell too.. It could be some hard drives from his local bank?

I don't know and have no direct ties. This is a public and general forum. The OP admits to doing something against the policies that apply to him during his contractual period and that is where any case will end in a court of law.

I just thought he might opt for smashing his HDD- would have been fun.

And what exactly are you referring to as illegal? What law exactly is he breaking and how can it be proved it?
If this thread does pose some legal issues.. Mod please delete.

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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: October 27th, 2010, 11:35 
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OP is knowingly and intentionally attempting to destroy evidence of his violation of legal and/or contractual obligations. IANAL, but certainly this would leave one open to lawsuit if not actual criminal charges...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoliation_of_evidence

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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: November 1st, 2010, 13:23 
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I agree with DRC. Our forensic expert laughed when i showed him this. Seeing that the post itself can be used as evidence as well. I am hoping the opposing expert does not read hddguru.

But seriously, if you are involved in a court battle with you past employer and they have a court order for the data from your hard drive and you knowingly try and removed damaging emails/evidence, you will end up in more trouble then before. Especially if the opposing forensics expert sees what you did.

Plus if you did nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about, but it sounds like you did something that was against you previous companies policy or NDA.

I guess your forum name fits you.


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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: November 1st, 2010, 13:48 
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I guess that the gentleman as the LOG here:

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probably he did not sign again but was reading response here, anyway
seems as most of you said, he did something wrong and maybe trying to run away from it

good luck :idea:

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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: November 1st, 2010, 16:47 
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einstein9 wrote:
I guess that the gentleman as the LOG here:

Joined: October 27th, 2010, 6:55
Last visited: October 27th, 2010, 7:04

probably he did not sign again but was reading response here, anyway
seems as most of you said, he did something wrong and maybe trying to run away from it

good luck :idea:


Funny enough is he is probably using the computer in question and now has a log of it in his computer for this post :) Temporary internet files is the downfall for a lot of our clients and that stuff is stored in multiple places.

I hope he has a good lawyer


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 Post subject: Re: Erasing Email with detection
PostPosted: November 1st, 2010, 23:54 
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I totally agree with DRC and Cleanroom.
How you will fill if one of yours employee after two or more years working in your company decide to sell your secrets, clients, prices etc to competitor and leave your company. What you will do?

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