Hi, I am interested to find out if you found the Deepspar training courses for data recovery valuable? I saw this one online: "PDR Training III: Hands-on Recovery Course" which covers internal repairs, pcb swaps...etc."

Any feedback would be apreciated.

not really you best bet is to learn on your own

internal repairs, pcb swaps

get some faulty hard drives and see why they gone faulty to begin with
then try different type of methods on recovery with the deepspar unit

When did you take the course? It seems that not to long ago, you were asking me about the DeepSpar products.

As for my response to the OP. I, too, have not taken their courses. However, I have communicated with the DeepSpar support team via the phone, e-mail and their forums and am very impressed with their knowledge. I don't think their courses are designed for someone who is not somewhat experienced with data recovery, but if you have PC3000 and DDI and want to take your data recovery skills to a new lever, I'm sure that their course won't hurt. Of course, you could just call them and find out if the course is right for you.

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Luke
Recovery Force Data Recovery

See: anyone-had-pc3000-training-deepspar-t17680.html

deepspar is nothing more then a dos program that it
that goes into manufacture settings on the hard drive

you can turn of the headstack or do reverse copying etc

easy to use
you do not need a training course


remember in the forum people do promote these products
as they are resellers

read in the forum about it

Craig,

DeepSpar is a company that sells and supports PC3000 in North America, sells their own products and provides data recovery training. If you would look at the course the OP was referring to, you'd see that it the course has virtually nothing to do with DeepSpar products and shows how to do the physical head stack changes and other physical recovery work.

On the comment about the simplicity of DDI. It is certainly simple to start, but very complex to grasp the full power. It is certainly much more than a DOS application and is the most powerful imager on the market, to date. It does have the features you mention, but does a lot more. Am I correct in assuming that you still don't have a DDI system at your location, yet?

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Recovery Force Data Recovery

I don't think this guy is from Canada at all.

Certainly not a native :O)

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All went well until I plugged the drive in.

yes i know about the hardware machine but i think its time to move on and do a portable version rather then a computer based system.

how old is this system now ?????????


i have seen one and used it

yep nearly about 85% or more use this system for recovery work.


as a lot of members will say PC3000 there terms and conditions do suck.

They do have a portable version...been out for several years. It is called "Forensic Disk Imager". Of course, I'm not sure I see the importance of a portable version, except for forensics.

I'm not sure...old enough to have proven that it is the best product on the market for drive cloning in a data recovery world.

The 15% don't use it because either DeepSpar won't sell to them or they just can't afford it. Perhaps, there is 1% who have developed their own alternative.


What does PC3000's Terms and Conditions have to do with DeepSpar. I think Bell and Rogers terms and conditions suck, too. But, they have no relevance to DeepSpar's Disk Imager or to the OP about DeepSpar's physical hard drive recovery training.


I sure hope that you aren't referring to me.

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Recovery Force Data Recovery

"Forensic Disk Imager". Of course, I'm not sure I see the importance of a portable version, except for forensics.

yep i know this and it would be good to have the same version compact.


What does PC3000's Terms and Conditions have to do with DeepSpar.

same company do you get free updates
there terms and condition where you can not really sell there product to a second parties
for sure not the pc3000 products.


deepspar is cheaper to buy direct from europe get it shipped there
then it is to buy in canada
different zones




I think Bell and Rogers terms and conditions suck, too.

if you think bell and rogers sucks why do you stay with them
can you not live with out rogers cable or a cell phone

With the exception of the new network functionality, the FDI is DDI with a few extra features for forensics (ie, Clone to an image file, clone to multiple drives, clone from USB and calculate MD5 HASH)


This just shows your ignorance. They are not the same company. As I already mentioned, DeepSpar is a Canadian company that sells PC3000 products. Their software updates are free and their prices even include the shipping...no matter where you are in this world. I've been using DDI for years and haven't paid for a software update yet. Yet, I'm using the latest version available.

On the side of PC3000's Terms and Conditions, they may suck, but the product is well worth the hassle, if you know how to use it. Mind you, I've never had any issues with their Terms and Conditions. I never plan to sell my PC3000 systems, ever.


Perhaps, I cannot speak to that. But, most products in North America are cheaper elsewhere in the world.

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Recovery Force Data Recovery

its a division of ACE Laboratory, in Russia

so why do the people in ottawa are russian


DeepSpar was founded on an exclusive partnership with ACE Laboratory Russia to market the DeepSpar
other meaning they helped them


yoda got it wrong again


Terms and Conditions. I never plan to sell my PC3000 systems,

that because it tells you if you sell the product they will disable it
and terms and condition say its not transferable



DeepSpar one review for real
not happy with product sent it back for a full refund
bought yec ninja
and it recovered there information ok

DeepSpar, DeepSpar Disk Imager,
3D Data Recovery,
and all associated designs are trademarks of ACE Data Recovery Engineering Inc. PC-3000

and Data Extractor are products of ACE Laboratory Russia, sold under exclusive license in North America by ACE Data Recovery Engineering Inc.

under the DeepSpar brand. DeepSpar and ACE Data Recovery Engineering are members of the Ardenix Group.

It's always possible to sell your PC3000 UDMA. Just Ask Ace and they will "probably" charge a small transfer fee. Has anyone ever asked? I'm thinking not ;o)

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All went well until I plugged the drive in.

We just finished with our onsite training from Andrei. I just want to say that there was not one person n the room that wasn't very very happy with it. I just wanted to shout out and give credit where it is due. Very informative and enjoyable, Andrei has a very good personality and knows his stuff very well. If you are on the edge because of the cost of the training, my advice, do it.

Not to discredit YEC, because they do make great products....but the Deepspar runs circles around the ninja for unstable HDD, I have NO idea why you would think the ninja is better, unless you simply don't have the understanding to properly utilize the DDI...

the message i put up was from a website who did a test trail of the system

and they where not happy with the outcome

but the ninja recovered there data fine.


not many reviews on the deepspar at all

I said that as more of a "general" statement, I believe it is "fairly" common knowledge in DR industry that the DDI is much more powerful then the Ninja for data recovery purposes. For imaging good drives, the ninja is very nice and convenient, because it is a standalone unit, and isn't too bad price-wise either, but when you have unstable heads, or degrading media....the DDI is going to run circles around the Ninja; the ninja only has the ability to skip 1 sector at a time, it does not have the ability to set custom algorithms for specific errors; it cannot perform selective head imaging, it cannot perform ignore ECC, and the list goes on.

You must be really careful which "reviews" you trust. Personally, I would say not to believe ANY review you find on DR/HDD related products on websites. It is best to talk to industry professionals who have experience with the tools. It is pretty easy to tell who knows what they are talking about.

I have not been to the Deepspar courses myself, but I have experience with their technical support, and there is no doubt that they know what they are doing. I don't think anyone who truly wants to learn DR and is passionate about it would be disappointed with their training.

One small clarification: the Ninja actually does have the ability to ignore ECC via Read Long. It wasn't in the original release, but it's been available for quite a while (2+ years?).