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 Post subject: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 9th, 2012, 22:52 
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Dislike - because you prey upon and rely upon other people's mis-fortunes. As do many other businesses.

Like - because you saved a ton of important files 25 years ago, of today which I still have.

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 4:08 
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Keatah wrote:
Dislike - because you prey upon and rely upon other people's mis-fortunes.

So you dislike doctors too.
And car mechanics.
And surgeons.
And ambulance drivers.
And fire fighters.
And nurses.
And nursing home workers.
And...

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 4:29 
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No not precisely. I got pissed when a shop charged a colleague seemingly megabucks for what was a simple undelete operation.

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 5:01 
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so therefore, all DR companies are the same? You should know better than to tar everybody with the same brush.

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 5:22 
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Your colleague did not find it "Simple".

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
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guru wrote:
Your colleague did not find it "Simple".


Agree

Sometimes THINGS are not what it seems to be

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 6:22 
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If it was so "simple", then why did you help?

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you prey upon and rely upon other people's mis-fortunes
That's a pretty serious accusation and generalisation too may I add. Posts like this won't win you friends or help. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 8:19 
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Your colleague did not find it "Simple".

I think that's the OP's point, namely that people who aren't aware of the simplicity of some tasks are often exploited. One example that comes to mind is a quote for US$890 to remove a HPA. I've also seen many instances where people have been quoted $1K+ to remove a shorted TVS diode. Another more recent example is of a visitor who was sold freeware by some reprehensible member of this forum.

As for doctors, car mechanics, surgeons, ambulance drivers, fire fighters, nurses, etc, all these professions require official accreditation. Such accreditation is conspicuously absent in data recovery. Moreover, just to put fees in perspective, my father not too long ago had his eyesight and hearing restored in two separate operations in the private health system. Each cost him AU$2K net.

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 9:07 
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Firstly like others here I would not charge the prices fzabar has given as examples.

The way I look at it that they are paying for knowledge that they dont have to be able to do it themselves.
They dont know if its a quick simple fix or not as that comes with experience & knowledge.
They are not forced in to accepting quotes to do the work & can always get a second opinion quite easily.

Yes I do agree there are dodgy dr companies out there but you cant tarnish everyone else by their moral standards.

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 9:20 
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Customers can always ask for a second, third and so on opinion prior to committing to a service.
Just like in doctors, when there is something serious, one should always get a second opinion, as we all know that even accredited doctors misdiagnose. Just like a hospital upstate NY. What a mess. I would rather spend more time and money in traveling farther to a better hospital.

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As for doctors, car mechanics, surgeons, ambulance drivers, fire fighters, nurses, etc, all these professions require official accreditation.


I agree with this as a concept and yes on paper is true, however when it comes down to it, much operation takes place without accreditation and paperwork, etc., and when you are on the street and most in need of help, many, but not all, will stick it to you. Maybe with the exception of fire fighters. But what if in a smaller more remote town your house and the mayor house catch on fire at the same time. Wondering whose house will have priority?
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Such accreditation is conspicuously absent in data recovery.

An accreditation will kill a lot of small businesses as an accreditation would have to involve meeting a certain standard in certain categories. The standard will obviously be driven by the most resourceful companies, thus leaving all the other in the dust.
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Moreover, just to put fees in perspective, my father not too long ago had his eyesight and hearing restored in two separate operations in the private health system. Each cost him AU$2K net.

That's fantastic. Unheard of in other parts of the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 9:53 
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Sadly true.

18 years ago my mother was charged £50 by a man to come out and repair our washing machine. He opened the filter, cleaned it put it back in and said goodbye! Voila , a working washing machine.

"I think that's the OP's point, namely that people who aren't aware of the simplicity of some tasks are often exploited."

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BUT.. that does not mean that everyone are greedy little sh1ts :?:

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
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18 years ago my mother was charged £50 by a man to come out and repair our washing machine.


I don't believe it! This must have been an "accredited professional" and such people are saints.

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
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@nortwind

:lol: he was Hotpoint "Approved"

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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 16:24 
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In most occasions; replacing your break pads, etc is simple....but people still go to the mechanic and get charged $500+ dollars for that....and it's somehow acceptable.


Obviously $890 for removing an HPA is absurd, but as it was mentioned. If the problem is "so easy" then why didn't they figure it out? Because they value the data and don't trust themselves to get it safely and correctly. They would like a professional with experience to get it for them, and that comes at a price.

If everyone charged $50 for logical recovery, guess what? No one would be doing logical recovery because it wouldn't be worth the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Why I both like and dislike data recovery companies
PostPosted: May 10th, 2012, 18:07 
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labtech wrote:
An accreditation will kill a lot of small businesses as an accreditation would have to involve meeting a certain standard in certain categories.

Let's say I want to be a doctor, but I don't have the resources for a university education. Should I be allowed to practice on a few cadavers and then hang out my shingle as F. Zabkar MD? Or do my patients have a right to expect a certain standard of education and experience?

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fzabkar wrote:
Moreover, just to put fees in perspective, my father not too long ago had his eyesight and hearing restored in two separate operations in the private health system. Each cost him AU$2K net.

That's fantastic. Unheard of in other parts of the world.

You should look outside your own borders. Moreover, if my father had wanted to join a queue, he could have had both operations done for free in the public health system. In Australia we don't think that universal health care is unconstitutional.

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