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VoodooPL
 Post subject: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS ?
PostPosted: July 3rd, 2011, 16:03 
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Hello,

I'm wondering if the main difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS is interface? (PATA and SATA)
I was looking for HSA donor. My patient is ST3200822A.
It was hard to find exact model so I decided to purchase ST3200822AS.
Thought the additional "S" means SATA and rest of components are identical, but found that PCB in "AS" is much more bigger than in "S".

In Seagate's PDF there is only described ST3200822A model, couldn't find info about "AS".
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/man ... 7200pm.pdf

Just to be sure, would You please tell me if HSA from these drives are interchangable?
P.S
Firmware and Site Code is identical.
Thanks in advance for comment.
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labtech
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 3rd, 2011, 19:50 
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Highly likely...

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VoodooPL
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 4th, 2011, 9:21 
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I've checked both PCB's.
Its design is different, however they are interchangable.
Today I'will try to replace HSA and let You know if it works :)
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VoodooPL
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 13:19 
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I've made a few tries, with:

donor 1 = D1 = ST3200822A
donor 2 = D2 = ST3200822AS
Firmware and Site Code are identical.

- took HSA off from D1 and put it D2 - drive become DRD DSC but terminal output generates errors "Switch to full int, AM recquired" and similar...

- took HSA off from D2 and put it D1 - same as above, furthermore I could access to data, but the reading was slow and noise coming from inside was heard.

- put native HSA back to D2 - drive works great.

probably they are incompatible, what do You think?
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labtech
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 13:36 
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If it was working, then should be compatible.
There are likely other issues.
Is the noise similar to bird chirp or like a beep?

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hddguy
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 13:48 
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HSA is interchangeable here. Problem must be somewhere else.

What does Terminal show after you change heads?
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BlackST
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 13:58 
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'slow' access can be quite normal... Better than nothing!
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Nick_CT
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 14:50 
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labtech wrote:
Is the noise similar to bird chirp or like a beep?


I did a head swap on a ST3500630AS last week, all went well and drive imaged 100%. At first I got a lot of high pitched 'chirping' so I powered it down and slightly loosened the screw in the top cover that secures into the HSA and this made a big difference, however as the imaging process went along the chirping became more and more frequent, right at the end it was chirping like a sparrow at 5am. It didn't seem to have any affect on the recovery though.

The chirping is then something related to alignment? I would imagine so as it got more frequent as the drive moved towards the inner tracks.

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labtech
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 14:52 
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I agree with Nick_CT's description. Have experienced the same.
A terminal read like stated above by hddguy is highly recommended as there are more than likely other issues running in the background, making things slow and painful...

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hddguy
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 14:56 
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labtech wrote:
Is the noise similar to bird chirp or like a beep?
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I had a perfectly healthy drive do this when power supply is cheap. Better power supply and no problems.

:D
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VoodooPL
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 15:49 
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hddguy wrote:
HSA is interchangeable here. Problem must be somewhere else.

What does Terminal show after you change heads?


Here You are: the terminal output

Code:
Interface task reset
4096k x 16 buffer detected
APLUS - 1_Disk    S.07  08-16-04 10:34

Buzz  - Head Mask FFFF - Switch to full int.
              Spin Ready
3.01  08-16-04 10:35
(P)SATA Reset

CE Log EC=0  Rtype=36 OV=0 STStatus0
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys

Read Ver Failure!
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys

Read Ver Failure!
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired

CE Log EC=0  Rtype=36 OV=0 STStatus0
$NIWOT TIME OSwitch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
UT
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b
$NIWOT TIME OSwitch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
UT
$NIWOT TIME OSwitch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
UT
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.008b

Read Ver Retrys

Read Ver Failure!
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0096

Read Ver Retrys

Read Ver Failure!
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$NIWOT TIME OSwitch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
UT
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys

Read Ver Failure!
Mesa C3 Grand C Native mode
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.0002
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$NIWOT TIME OSwitch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
UT
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 47 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys
AutoRd Err 43 at 00fb68.00.0002

Read Ver Retrys

Read Ver Failure!
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$NIWOT TIME OUT
Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$NIWOT TIME OSwitch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
UT
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired
$Switch to full int.
              AM Reacquired


@Nick_CT: Thanks for advice, I will try loosen the screw and observe the difference.

@labtech:
the sound is similar to bird chirp :)
after powering on drive works perfect, after being idle for about 1-2 minutes it starts "chirping" by itself. So decided to send it command to show SMART, after that chirping stopped.
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Nick_CT
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 16:07 
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hddguy wrote:
I had a perfectly healthy drive do this when power supply is cheap. Better power supply and no problems.

:D


The drive was being powered by my PC3K board, so I would assume/hope that the power is 100% :) lol

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Nick_CT
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
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VoodooPL wrote:
@Nick_CT: Thanks for advice, I will try loosen the screw and observe the difference.


I think I had tightened it a bit too much when reassembling the drive, so I only loosened it by a tiny amount. Obviously still tight, but not overly so.

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Jar
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
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Nick_CT wrote:
hddguy wrote:
I had a perfectly healthy drive do this when power supply is cheap. Better power supply and no problems.

:D


The drive was being powered by my PC3K board, so I would assume/hope that the power is 100% :) lol



Your PC3K board is being powered by a power supply in your machine. It doesn't generate by itself :)
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Nick_CT
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 7th, 2011, 17:18 
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I know, I was the one who installed it :wink:

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hddguy
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
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Jar wrote:
Nick_CT wrote:
hddguy wrote:
I had a perfectly healthy drive do this when power supply is cheap. Better power supply and no problems.

:D


The drive was being powered by my PC3K board, so I would assume/hope that the power is 100% :) lol



Your PC3K board is being powered by a power supply in your machine. It doesn't generate by itself :)



I know. I was not referring to PC3000 power, simply that it is not uncommon for seagates to 'chirp' when mechanics are good...

I think I know a little about how PC3K works... :lol:
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VoodooPL
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
PostPosted: July 11th, 2011, 9:15 
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Well, I've found information in PC3K manual saying that errors related to terminal output above could be related to head contamination. In this respect, what is the best way to clean them? is it ok to use isopropyle or another liquid?
If answer is confident, please send me PM.
Thanks in advance.

@ Nick:
I've tried to loosen the screw, in fact the chirping seems like it's gone, but now drive stays BSY DSC, with almost the same terminal output like mentioned above. Standard head sound can be heard. That's why I think they could be contaminated.


Last edited by VoodooPL on July 11th, 2011, 9:23, edited 1 time in total.

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Nick_CT
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VoodooPL wrote:
Well, I've found information in PC3K manual saying that errors related to terminal output above could be related to head contamination. In this respect, what is the best way to clean them? is it ok to use isopropyle or another liquid?.


wd2500jb-00gva0-data-access-t19933.html

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VoodooPL
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
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Thanks Nick for a link.
Meanwhile I found the producer of special tips for cleaning sliders and already sent an inquiry.

http://www.foamtecintlwcc.com/documents ... sheet.html
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VoodooPL
 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between ST3200822A and ST3200822AS
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Guys, I have an urgent question to You related to proper image of a drive after HSA swap using PC3K and DE.

Well, the HSA was swapped successfully, drive enters in DRD DSC, however terminal shows (Switch to full int, AM Recquired)
Immediately I have choose to make data copy to ATA1.
The reading was slow, however sectors were copied successfully, (leave it to make image through the night) today in the morning I found that it copied 12% of data and there are some red and yellow blocks.
During copy process, heads are knocking a little, decided to stop the task.

Want to ask You, which is the best strategy in this case for image the data?
1. Start the same task but select backward direction and continue? (I'm not sure if my 12% of already imaged data will be overwritten)?
2. Start the same task but (forward direction) select bigger "jump size" and continue?
3. Start the new task with custom options (defined by You).

I will appreciate any comments.
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