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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2012, 3:14 
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odedshankar,

I'm sorry. I was replying to Injector previously, I forgot to quote his post. Of course your problem is already resolved :)

Edit : I have quoted Injector's post to clarify.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2012, 3:20 
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freakzy wrote:
I think you have already found out the solution yourself. Read your own post carefully :)
Don't waste your time to decrypt the drive using software..........

So your verdict is to close the job and forget about data??


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2012, 3:23 
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Injector wrote:
freakzy wrote:
I think you have already found out the solution yourself. Read your own post carefully :)
Don't waste your time to decrypt the drive using software..........

So your verdict is to close the job and forget about data??


NO. What I meant is don't waste your time thinking this encryption can be decrypted using software

It's recoverable at this point, you just have to re-read your own post I quoted previously and check which step you missed in this problem during diagnosis.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2012, 3:50 
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freakzy wrote:
you just have to re-read your own post I quoted previously and check which step you missed in this problem during diagnosis.

Can you speak without puzzles. I said impossible to read the original and any other disk via usb3-box. And the original and its clone impossible to read via another usb3box. I even put the sector 3907026307 to module 38 and that was not helpful. So where the puncture?


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2012, 4:47 
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Alright then, check your PM....... :)

By the way, what is module 38 ?


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 5:13 
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Hi guys, i was wrong after all :(
I finished imaging the faulty drive after the USB to SATA conversion.
And it is all scrambled and seem to be encrypted after all :(
I connected a 3.5" My Passport Bridge with Initio to the healthy drive which i imaged to and it can't find it.
Any ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 10:02 
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odedshankar wrote:
I connected a 3.5" My Passport Bridge with Initio to the healthy drive which i imaged to and it can't find it.
Any ideas?

Try to read the post
http://forum.hddguru.com/for-those-who-had-doubt-smartware-solution-t21584.html


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 17:58 
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odedshankar wrote:
it seems that the Initio is not used in this Elements model.

AIUI, the Initio chip's part number suffix indicates whether it incorporates AES hardware encryption. "P" versions do not, whereas "E" versions do.

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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 18:03 
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odedshankar wrote:
Hi guys, i was wrong after all :(
I finished imaging the faulty drive after the USB to SATA conversion.
And it is all scrambled and seem to be encrypted after all :(

Could we see dumps of LBAs 0 and 1?

BTW, my understanding is that Elements models are not encrypted but Essentials models are. I could be wrong, though.

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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 18:30 
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HI fzabkar,

It seems that the drive is not encrypted(2.5 Elements although it has an Initio chip).
When i am connecting the Data compass i can see the partition and file structure but can't access the data.
The image i took was all scrambled so i assumed encryption but i believe i was wrong.
It looks like the soldering is unstable and read faulty values, may need to re-do that.
Maybe wires were to thin, any recommendation regarding the length and thickness of the wires to solder?

Thx


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 19:09 
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ISTM that the easiest way to confirm whether your wiring is sufficient is to monitor the voltage at the +5V and ground test points on the PCB while the drive is spinning up. That should result in the worst case voltage drop.

The data wires need not be heavy.

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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 19:18 
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thanks mate, will give it a try.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 27th, 2012, 3:53 
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Is that a laptop hd. With forensics I experienced that the hd is
encryptedand married to the laptop mother board and the pass should
be in the bios , and when I needed a image I have to do it with the
drive connected to the M/Board and boot with cd like helix or linen ,
if you don't u won't see anything


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 8:58 
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hi guys,
as i suspected the soldering work wasn't stable, there was noise on the sata lines.
we re-did it and we manage to image the whole partition with all the data.
It wan't encrypted :-)


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 10:19 
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congrats on your success


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 14:23 
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As far as I know Elements never use encryption...so probably just bad sectors on that one.

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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 18:19 
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I know that elements are not supposed to be encrypted but
its quite weird that the Initio chip was on the PCB - probably didn't use it though.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 18:52 
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odedshankar wrote:
I know that elements are not supposed to be encrypted but
its quite weird that the Initio chip was on the PCB - probably didn't use it though.

Initio makes many USB-SATA bridge ICs. Only some incorporate AES encryption.

For example, an INIC-1607E does, but an INIC-1607P does not.

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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 19:01 
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good to know, i'll keep that in mind, cheers


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 Post subject: Re: WD Elements 2.5" 500 GB can't find data
PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 5:53 
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fzabkar wrote:
odedshankar wrote:
I know that elements are not supposed to be encrypted but
its quite weird that the Initio chip was on the PCB - probably didn't use it though.

Initio makes many USB-SATA bridge ICs. Only some incorporate AES encryption.

For example, an INIC-1607E does, but an INIC-1607P does not.


FYI. most of them are: 1607E

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