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 Post subject: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: September 1st, 2014, 17:02 
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Hello people!!

Ok, ok, ok, i know that all specialists says (and i am convinced too) that is necessary to swap the rom chip when doing a pcb replacement, thats clear for me.

But the question is that some friends without hight knowledge have been changed pcb in modern disks without rom swap and their says that it Worked!!! Is it posible???

By other side, i had tried pcb replacement 8-10 times swapping ROM (using a hot air station), the disks spins up but are clicking noise or not detected correctly in bios. What i am doing wrong???

Also i asked my self, if the ROM is a read only chip and the firmware inside it never changes, why is necesary write a millions of different firmware codes for all disk of same model??? I am thinking to read and compare some of this codes for identical models to be sure about this, but by now i have no chance. What do you think about this? Can somebody go deeper on this topic??

Thanks in advance,
Oleg.

P.D Excuseme for the bad english.....


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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: September 1st, 2014, 17:56 
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Some models have unique, drive specific "adaptive" data in "ROM" while others do not. Even those that do not have "adaptive" data still need to match the firmware version in "ROM" against the firmware modules in the System Area (SA) on the platters. Sometimes the "adaptives" will be a close match (eg in WD drives), in which case a straight board swap may work, if the firmware version is compatible. Other models (eg Seagate F3 drives) store the serial number in "ROM", so a straight board swap can never succeed.

As for your comment regarding "ROM", you and I both understand it to mean Read Only Memory. However, the data recovery community (and perhaps the HDD manufacturers themselves, or their firmware developers) incorrectly use the term "ROM" to refer to flash memory which is in fact writeable.

You may find the following thread useful.

newbie info, from and for newbies :) About firmware, SA, etc:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6562

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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2014, 5:55 
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Hola Don
Tal y como dice Fran, en algunos casos funciona (debido a que que los datos contenidos en la ROM son iguales) y en otros no, (ya que que los datos contenidos en la ROM no son iguales) en otros casos no son necesarios.

de todos modos lo mejor es cambiar la ROM para asegurarse o leer la ROM del disco paciente para grabarla en la ROM donante.

En la mal llamada ROM se puede escribir ya que realmente no es ROM com Fran tambien comenta.

Espero haberte ayudado.


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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: October 2nd, 2014, 9:03 
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Thanks very much fzabkar and hdddrec!!!!!

Excuseme for the late answer, but i was out.

Fzabkar, 90% all i know about hdds i know for your post, so is a great honor for me your post.

Can somebody mentions some hdd models where is not necesary to swap pcb?

best regards,
Oleg.


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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: October 2nd, 2014, 15:05 
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Don Oleg wrote:
By other side, i had tried pcb replacement 8-10 times swapping ROM (using a hot air station), the disks spins up but are clicking noise or not detected correctly in bios. What i am doing wrong???

Probably nothing wrong that you do, but the problem is elsewhere...bad heads, preamp etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: October 3rd, 2014, 5:55 
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Don Oleg wrote:
Can somebody mentions some hdd models where is not necesary to swap pcb?


Oleg.



Hi Oleg!!


No creo que sea un tema de algunos modelos de disco, es un tema de coincidencias en la informacion contenida en la ROM. los discos tienen en esta ROM los "adaptives" que son personalizaciones de los discos despues de un testeo en fabrica, si los adaptives de otra PCB son compatibles con la tuya no es necesario cambio de ROM, de lo contrario es necesario.


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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: November 4th, 2014, 13:09 
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gracias hddrec!!! (que alivio poder hablar español jeje)

Si me pudieras aclarar otras dudas

He oido que al conectar el disco a la maquina se puede modificar el contenido de la flash rom, Pudiera darse el caso de que al intercambiar los pcb sin el cambio de la flash rom y conectar los discos a la maquina ambos discos queden inservibles? O puedo probar con un pcb de otro disco si funciona sin riesgo de que ambos discos queden inservibles?

Como puedo saber si el firmware de un disco esta dañado realmente? Me he logrado conectar con varios discos seagate por puerto serie y puedo inicializar el smart y limpiar el g-list, pero el disco sigue sin ser reconocido por el bios. No se si h comprendido que puede ser que se haya borrado el p-list, pero no estoy seguro....

gracias de antemano,
saludos,
Oleg.


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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: November 4th, 2014, 19:29 
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Don Oleg wrote:
gracias hddrec!!! (que alivio poder hablar español jeje)
He oido que al conectar el disco a la maquina se puede modificar el contenido de la flash rom, Pudiera darse el caso de que al intercambiar los pcb sin el cambio de la flash rom y conectar los discos a la maquina ambos discos queden inservibles? O puedo probar con un pcb de otro disco si funciona sin riesgo de que ambos discos queden inservibles?




Puede ocurrir que se modifique la rom pero no es habitual, aun asi el riesgo esiste .


Don Oleg wrote:
gracias hddrec!!! (que alivio poder hablar español jeje)
Como puedo saber si el firmware de un disco esta dañado realmente? Me he logrado conectar con varios discos seagate por puerto serie y puedo inicializar el smart y limpiar el g-list, pero el disco sigue sin ser reconocido por el bios. No se si h comprendido que puede ser que se haya borrado el p-list, pero no estoy seguro....
Oleg.


Que commandos has introducido, y que resultado has obtenido en el terminal?
En tu caso lo mas probable es que fallen las cabezas o los platos., aun asi indicanos que comandos has introducido.


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 Post subject: Re: Replace HDD PCB without ROM swapping?????
PostPosted: November 19th, 2014, 9:00 
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Mira, lo primero que hago es hacer un format del user partition con m0,2,2,,,,,22. (Esto porque a pesar de que en los foros se dice que primero se inicializa el smart (N1), despues se borra el glist con i4,1,22 y por ultimo el format, hay casos en que el disco pierde el format y entonces no deja inicializar el smart). DEspues de esto si hago el proceso en este orden:
i4,1,22
N1
m0,2,2,,,,,22.

Luego de esto el disco sigue sin ser reconocido en el bios.
saludos.


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