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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 27th, 2018, 23:58 
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Spildit wrote:
Now if you can use WDMarvel in IDE mode just "detect" a known good drive and when you do confirm that it's working it's time to power off the known good drive to replace it with the damaged drive.

Got this set up earlier, but I'm not sure I'm doing everything correctly as none of the boxes in the "Drive" section are getting filled in on detect. On launch, it scans and finds six controllers (4-Intel,2-Marvell Semiconductor). The first (SATA-0) system drive is a Seagate, and I can detect and get a few of the boxes filled for that on the first of the four Intels. The two Marvells don't detect anything.

Right now, on SATA-5 is that duplicate WD320. It's brand new and uninitialized if that makes any difference. The BIOS sees it fine, and is set for IDE mode with SMART turned off. WDMarvel is also in IDE. In the device manager, I get three Primary Channels, three Secondary Channels, and three Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controllers. The first of the secondaries seemed to be where the WD was showing up. I set it for PIO and disabled it before running WDMarvel. The WD drive then disappears from the disk management console. This is all under Windows XPsp3.

I'll try to read up some on WDMarvel unless someone spots something I'm doing wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 0:36 
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I did manage to get a regular IDE WD 20G drive detected. It fills out everything but the "Family" box. Problem is, it seems to read and save zero byte size flash ROM dumps in the Default\PZU folder, which I guess isn't right. It does claim that the ROM was successfully read.


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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 10:45 
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Spildit wrote:
What is the MODEL of that WD 20 GB drive ?
That was a Caviar 200AA (detects as WDC WD200AA).
I also tried a Protege WD200, which detects as WDC WD200EB-11BHF0.
They both give me that empty ROM dump. That controller list looks the same each time, with four Intels and two Marvell Semiconductors. Is that normal? I haven't tried it with anything other than a WD for the target drive.
Spildit wrote:
Maybe your system is setting those SATA ports as "slave" ? Try to detect the same drives with Victoria for windows instead.
Will start looking into that. FWIW, the SATA 320 does indeed show up as "device 1" rather than "0" on that secondary channel. I haven't tried connecting stuff to different SATA ports though. Just been using 0 for system and 5 for target.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 11:17 
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Well, swapping the SATA ports seems to have done the trick as far as the new 320G SATA one goes. I guess they're in pairs of master/slave. I put it on the "0" port where the system drive was. For some reason, it's detected under that first "Intel" entry, where the Seagate was before, so I guess the list always looks like that.

The detection reads:

model - WD3200AAKS-61L9A0
serial - WD-WCAV2S261388
fw - 01.03E01 05.F9E
family - Pinnacle Lite (Royl)

The dump seems to have read OK (on the second try for some reason), and I get a 192k file. Nothing recognizable in it, but I do see "ROYL" in the last few bytes, so I'm guessing it's OK.

I'll start working on that hot swap thing, but it sounds scary, so I'll take it slow. I'd also rather not spin that drive up any more than I have to.

Thanks Again!


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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 14:20 
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You can use my tool to verify the integrity of your ROM dump. It runs in a Windows DOS box.

http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/temp/wdROMv12.exe
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/temp/wdROMv12.bas

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 15:11 
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Thanks fzabkar,

Does this output file look good?


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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 15:16 
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Yes, all good.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 18:04 
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Spildit wrote:
Are you getting this from the damaged drive or from another known working drive ? What is the PCB number of this working drive ?

Hi Spildit,

I should have specified. This was with the "known good" new one. The PCB is that one I mentioned on the last page, and not the same number as what's on the dead one. It's 2060-771590-001 rev P2. I haven't pulled it off to see what the top looks like, but I guess if they're incompatible it wouldn't matter anyhow.

I'll probably attempt a swap/dump off the bad one tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 22:23 
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Well, I think I got the dump off the bad one following Spildit's instructions. For some reason, after swapping, it only gets two of the boxes filled in, and on one of the first detects, the model and serial boxes were a bunch of gibberish characters. The rest of the time they stayed blank, and I'd only get the second of the two firmware boxes as 01.0JA and the family as Pinnacle (Royl) - not Pinnacle Lite (Royl) like the new one.

Here's the dump, along with the output of fzabkar's utility.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 22:35 
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Looks good.

For confirmation, I found the following text string in one of the decompressed segments:

    WDC ROM MODEL-PINNACLE-

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 28th, 2018, 22:41 
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Thanks fzabkar!


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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 29th, 2018, 20:41 
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Thanks Spildit,

Maybe another dumb question, but would the incompatible (yet working) PCB from that donor I bought be enough to see whether or not the mechanics were intact or would it still possibly click?

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 29th, 2018, 20:45 
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I believe that the MCU on the other PCB has a different part number (88i....).

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 29th, 2018, 21:02 
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fzabkar,

You are correct (went ahead and pulled it off). It's an 88i8846E-TFJ2 rather than a 88i8845D-BHG2. The layout is actually a little different, with a long memory chip sitting next to that MCU and an 8-pin something that looks like maybe a flash chip below it. Odd thing, it actually has a hint of a dark spot in the green foam in the center of that main chip, but it was a sealed up supposedly new drive.

You think it would still click the same though? I know it's not capable of having that ROM dumped to it, I was just wondering if it might save me the trouble of doing all that if the heads are shot.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 29th, 2018, 21:10 
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Jidis wrote:
You think it would still click the same though?
I don't know.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 30th, 2018, 16:06 
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Thanks again to both of you.
Spildit wrote:
Beware of where you buy the PCB as well. You might be better with a full drive so that you are 100% sute that the PCB is not damaged.

I would've asked about that next. 8)

The board number turns up ones on eBay that say "tested good", but they've also got burn marks on them. Then with some of the drives on there, they either don't have bottom pictures, or you can't read the number. Do you have any pointers on where to get the drive? Also, are the internals as bad about compatibility on these things as the PCB is, or are the heads,etc. typically the same for this model number. I'm figuring that might be another reason to try to track down a whole drive, as I could hang onto the spare parts if I ever decide to have someone work on it (unless this donor one already has the same heads and all).

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 30th, 2018, 17:11 
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Thanks Again Spildit- I'll start looking!

Didn't realize the full number would be a PCB match. Could've gotten it the first time (looks like this guy's full name was WD3200AAKS-00B3A0).

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: October 30th, 2018, 17:34 
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Bought.

Had to get a used one, but it was cheap and is supposed to be "fully operational" and the seller's got 99.7% positives on eBay. I'll see what happens within the next few days, but something inside me is expecting the worst.

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: November 2nd, 2018, 17:28 
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Man, dumbo strikes again!

I was so busy matching that last number, it looks like I bought a 250 instead of a 320. Numbers on the PCB are the same until the end. Mine is a 2060-701537-002 rev P1 , and this latest donor PCB is a 2060-701537-003 rev A

On removing it, it does actually look the same this time. Any chance that can still be used, or should I continue building my stack? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: What am I up against (clicking drive with amnesia)?
PostPosted: November 3rd, 2018, 15:57 
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Hi again Spildit,

Doesn't look good. About the same "whirr/clinkclink,whirr/clinkclink,whirr/clinkclink"...then spins down. I guess that means heads,huh? I'll probably have to put it aside and figure I learned my lesson. :(

I really do appreciate everybody's help through this though.

Much Thanks!

PS- Yes, the two chips were the same (at least the main top number).


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