ok im stuck and not to sure which one to buy

i can buy a ninja kaze brand new

or i can buy a demo version of the ninja forensic. (saving $700)

for the same money with out the case.

both units are costing the same

as i do not do any forensic work i need to know what the diffrence might be

is it worth getting the forensic version or stick with the ninja kaze (new boxed)

is dd image only for programs like encase

Unless you carry out forensic work, then you're probably better off buying the new, non-forensic version. You can always upgrade it to forensic version at a later date for a cost.

DD is a flat image file, which can be interpreted by all forensic applications, including FTK, EnCase and X-Ways to name but a few.

Why not buy a tried and tested Deepspar unit?? Does anybody have any real-life experience with a Ninja unit?

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the problem with the deepspar unit

is

1)expensive to buy

2)does not work on any type motherboards only the ones they say will work

im going to go with the ninja version rather then buying demo versions

If you are buying the unit for cloning drives that have problems, bad sectors, etc, I would recommend the Deepspar. Ok, it's more expensive, but you pay for quality. Have you had any independent reviews on performance of the ninja?

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there is none around that the weird thing i tried to find reviews on the products.

but they got to be good as you dont see them for sale secondhand at all

as for deepspar one review from one company hmmmmm aka not real.

"but they got to be good as you dont see them for sale secondhand at all" - that's hardly a reason to buy it!

I have no commercial relationship with Deepspar, but I do have 2 of their units and plan to buy 2 more this year. There are quite a few people with Deepspars on this forum and i'm sure they'll agree that it is by far the best imaging tool available and will easily pay for itself.

Cheaper isn't always the better option in the long term, but it's your money and your decision.

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Deepspar makes a very good data recovery product. The issue for many potential buyers is that the product is expensive and often inefficient to use. It requires a dedicated computer station, which adds to overall cost and limits portability. Deepspar has also been criticized for poor customer support,

might be good if they offer it for a lot cheaper
it might be worth buying

can you tell us about there product how it works
and what the flaws are in the program itself.

does it work with any pc set up etc

and how it does recovering data from a hard drive with lots of bad sectors

Craig,
If you understand the technology and know which features products in question offer you won't need any reviews to compare them. Most of these "reviews" are just PR and marketing misleading crap that usually doesn't have much to do with real technology. I've never used Ninja but Imager from Deepspar does what it claims to do and it does it well.
If you want to better understand the technology behind imaging process there is a good technical whitepaper on Deepspar website: http://www.deepspar.com/pdf/DeepSparDis ... paper3.pdf. It's written by engineers, not salesmen, so I hope it will help you get answers to all your questions.

trust me i do understand the technology a lot

but the main problem is how come deepspar only had 1 claim 1 review.

which is there own engineers who have written this paper.

if the machine is that great you would had thought they offer it up for reviews
for real techs to check it out and tell you what there flaws are
in which they dont.

how well do we know its works we dont know that the thing.


only review and that was some company in the uk

aka marketing of there product

There are a number of reviews of the product from "real" engineers at:

http://www.deepspar.com/products-ds-dis ... nials.html

The user in the UK is one of the most highly-regarded engineers in the industry. I currently have 2 of them and they are fantastic, they paid for themselves within the first month. I operate them 24/7 and will buy again. The only thing you need is a specific motherboard with nforce4 support (as far as I recall). You can buy a barebones PC, with cheap CPU, RAM and no hard disk or CD-Rom as you don't need them. The PC should cost you less than $400.

Anyway, i'm not trying to force the deepspar on you. It's your decision and your money, but at least do some research and buy the product that it most suitable to your needs.

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so can you explain to us what your using your for then
is it for data recovery or just imaging drives with bad sectors

can it recovery the data if there to many bad errors
how about a head that is weak can it still recovery data
with the unit can you target the folders you want to recovery then.

We use the unit to image all drives that we receive for DR. As standard practice, we image all faulty drives to a new disk where possible, then extract the data from the image. Every drive that has a head swap is imaged fully (again, where possible). Deepspar does a 3-pass image:

1) Fast Primary Pass - this reads all sectors which are good
2) Secondary Pass - attempts to read unreadable sectors from pass 1 in reverse
3) Data Retrieval - re-reads the unreadable sectors 10 times

The unit is great for cloning disks which don't have problems also, it's very fast and easy to use.

You cannot choose a specific folder to recover - it's full disk only. If i'm looking for a specific folder, I use PC3000 and create a map of the folder and get the data that way.

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I had one of the very first Ninja units in the UK, and this unit continues to perform effortlessly. We have always been impressed with YEC-USA products. Importantly for any data recovery tool, whilst it does not do everything, it is very efficient at non-machine dependent disk imaging (i.e. doesn't need a host computer).

We also use (amongst others)

(i) Logicube Talon
(ii) Tableau FW800/USB read/write and read-only
(iii) PC-3000 UDMA

And have evaluated:

(iv) Disc jockey (but that made us laugh)

Plus:

(i) Ninja Term
(ii) Winhex/ X-ways
(iii) Data Extractor
(iv) Access FTK1.7/ 2.0
(v) Access PRTK

etc etc and an array of electronic test equipment, SMT rework blah blah blah.

No tool will provide total coverage, but Ninja can be recommended without reservation for PC independent copying.

scegs

Hi Sceggy,

For the purposes of data recovery, how does the ninja perform?

We have a number of other imaging units for forensic purposes, including Fastbloc's, Tableau's & Imagemasster's, etc and these are fine for the purposes of acquiring forensic images of physically ok hard drives.

However, for data recovery, none of these units are suitable as they do not have bad-sector handling capabilties and customised imaging algorithms, hence why we use Deepspar.

If you need a tool for pure copying purposes, then there are lots of units on the market.

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ok with the ninja kaze you can go to the data on the platter
so your not scanning the whole drive.

what your saying is deepspar can read bad sectors ??????
is this possible to do

i been in contact with the company and they offered to do me a good deal
on the deepspar
the qeastion is

what motherboard or cpu do you have to use with there machine
and what type of problems have you had with your units if any.

Deepspar has the ability to read all good sectors and then go back and retry the bad/weak ones as many times as you specify. If it cannot read the sector properly, it has the ability to re-read the sector many times without ECC and make its "best guess" at what the sector should contain, based on the combined readings for each byte in the sector,

You do need a decent NF4 based m/b to run it though.

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so the company offered to give me a motherboard and cpu with the deepspar

but can it out beat the ninja kaze

both look good but the one im thinking of buying is ninja kaze

can you change my minds over which one guys

Again, it's your money and decision, but as I said, I have 2 and will buy more this year and I wouldn't even waste my time considering the ninja as the Deepspar does exactly what I need and damn well.

I'm sure if you asked other users here who have deepspars, they will say the exact same.

AND they are giving you the mobo! Wish I got that deal!!

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A Standalone unit would be great if you were a PC manufacturer, and wanted to put the same image on each computer's drive. It might also be good if you need to make forensic images quickly. In that case, the ninja might be fine. It even looks like it can get around minor problems if your drive has them.

If you want the best tool designed specifically for data recovery, Deepspar will likely serve you much better. I don't see how a typical standalone unit has an advantage in DR.

ok the price for deepspar is $3,200 plus taxes ouch