I agree with magneto.
Half of the posts i read are just silly comments instead of sticking to the real purpose of this forum: exchange information. Its a waste of time for me and many others.

Dobre

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You are right there are may smart people here, people who have worked extremely hard to develop the knowledge and skills to be a great DR technician. I for one did not learn all this the hard way to give it all away in this forum. Granted, I will help somebody in trouble with a basic failure, such as a blue screen of death in windows, but that is different to telling sombody how to successfully transplant platters in a Seagate with spacers. there is help available in this forum, but thats exactly what it is: Help, not a DIY guide to starting your own DR company.

People seem to forget that the information people are expecting is the sole source of many peoples bread and butter. You cannot expect everybody here to work hard developing methods, techniques and procedures to overcome many types of problems, only to give this information away.

If its help you want, this is the right place. If your after the skills and knowledge required to be a great DR technician, then do what the rest of us do, work hard and research lots.

Im sure Im not alone in my views.

That is fine and I partially agree with you but that was not my point at all. My point was just that we don't need silly comments. If you're so busy doing such hard work then you shouldn't have any time to waste posting to some nobody halfway across the world that they should just put it in the microwave/fridge or any other crap. I'm not asking anyone to give away trade secrets but if you think that you spent huge amounts of time "discovering" procedures for removing a screw then whatever. If the question is one that you're not comfortable answering then just don't post anything!@!

And what the hell does BSOD have to do with HDD's? Or being a HDD guru? Other than an HDD failure causing it that post would be wrong for this site and should be deleted/closed or sent to another page, i.e., www.google.com (my computer screen turns blue). Just like as soon as I answered the question (correctly - if I did but I already know that I did) then the post should've been closed. Now we've got two pages of ranting and I'm only making it worse. I'm out.

Hello magneto, let me told u some about what im think "whats happening on the answers " from this forum, well like u can see i had 3 years on this forum, i started with mhdd forum , and maybe there are some posts from mhdd yet, if u tried to compare the answers from that time with the asnwers on this years u can see there are more information now and more hddgurus told´s more "secrets" for example, at that time, no body talks about head exchange or platter swap. im start from that time and i need to accept that, and with the "little" ideas or "guides" i start , so the people who read posts on this years , got more information than 4 years ago.

Thats my humble opinion

Regards

Business as usual... when will people understand that we don't owe anything to anybody only because we are on the internet ?
Anyway if someone wants to get trained, is welcome. Of course I want to get paid. A lot. Exactly what I expect to loose in my business by putting up a new concurrent at work. What's wrong ?

I'm not asking anyone to help me; i like to help others if i dont have to give away my secrets or if i can trade some information.
But we dont have to post silly reactions.
I'm trying to keep up with all the postings in this forum in case i see something interesting, but half of what i am reading is just a waste of time.
Lets behave as gentlemen and let throwing insults to other forums.

Dobre

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BSOD is a failure resulting in inaccessibility of user data. Restoration or recovery of inaccessible data is effectively what DR is about. I think what hdhelp meant was that simple logical failures which require a minimal ammount ot technical ability and skill can easily be assisted and advice given, but where there is risk of not only giving away unique trade secrets, and knowledge that was obtained through hard work commitment dedication and persistence, but also where there is a risk of potentially further damage leading to complete non-recoverable media, it is in our best interests to advise simply that it be sent to a DR professional. Even where it is advised to send to a DR professional, discounts and favours are offered specifically because of this forum (BlackST, PCIMAGE among others often are seen to offer good deals and discounts to potential customers).

If you are already competent in DR then this forum is a great source of knowledge and advice, and there are so many familiar people here you will know who to ask for advice, and whose advice to take seriously. If you are a newbie then a lot of the info in this forum is much too advanced and technical to take on board which is why a lot of these topics tend to spawn silly posts.

As for being too busy to post silly posts, a lot of us work extremely hard in DR, and a lot of the time the job comes with lots of work, stress, and I am often working late and long hours, sometimes this forum is simply a nice 'break'.

well said.

I know what a BSOD is. And I specifically said other than a hdd failure what does it have to do with hdds? And you didn't answer my question at all. I didn't think this site was a DR site, as a matter of fact I didn't come here for help with DR. I thought it was a HDD site that might help extend my knowledge of the inner workings of a hdd! If you believe half of your post above then you would be just as annoyed by the people posting crap about a drive in a fridge or many of the other stupid posts. 'break' or not you can't honestly tell me you enjoy seeing a topic in the main index that looks interesting or useful only to find out that it is never resolved and ends up diverting into meaningless ramblings. How many times have you used this forum to help you resolve a problem? If the answer is even once you have someone else to thank for that and it could've gone the other way for you. Someone could've written stupid sh*t about your post or given you incorrect advice.

IMO some of you are already defending the wrong point of my post (which is starting not to surprise me). Just don't post stupid sh*t. What is the point of being on a forum if not to exchange information? Why are you even here? That's not a question I'm asking you to respond to, I'm asking you to think about it. You're probably on here to gain knowledge no matter what your knowledge level is, even Black and a couple of others. Only instead of helping, those of us who consider ourselves to be professionals on this site generally bash people for asking questions lower than our level. And when questions are asked above our comfort level of sharing, because of business or NDA, then we don't answer the question but post that we know the answer. Seems like if we look at it like that then this site is just about useless. Which is where the frustration comes from. If you don't have anything relevant to say than don't say anything at all!!!! And if you're worried that you're giving away the "trade" secrets you've fought and worked so hard to keep than it is certainly your right not to answer. But don't waste our time with useless comments. That's my point, has been my point throughout the whole post and will continue to be.

No word of a lie, I was actually falling asleep reading the above. Lucky I didn't as I'm half way through a platter swap on a 750 GB seagate (with Spacers )

Only managed to read the first part of your post, dont want to take the time out of my life to read the rest.

I struggle to see what you want to achieve from this forum. What you mean 'other than a hdd failure what does it have to do with hdds?'. Does that even make sense? the main point of this forum is about failed HDDs and data recovery. How is inaccessible data through a BSOD not relevant?

I genuinly hope that people are NOT trusting you with valuable sentimental data in the hope you can recover it.

In the words of Mr T "I Pity the Fools!"

Why even post anything else about it then? I could say the same for you but I won't because I do hope that people are trusting you with their data. IDC who makes money or doesn't in this business. My point on these forums has been clearly and politely made in the posts previous. Don't read them. I hope you don't because you're proving my point.

For those that are reading, in my defense I said "I didn't think this site was a DR site, as a matter of fact I didn't come here for help with DR. I thought it was a hdd site that might help extend my knowledge of the inner workings of a hdd!" That in two sentences covers what you just posted and you're wasting others time but not reading the post before posting on your own. Seems like you're the problem that I'm describing.

Again in my defense, here's why I assumed this was a site about hdds and not data recovery:
http://hddguru.com/

Seems like when I look at the main page I never see anything about DR.

@HDDHELP - The response here has been overwhelming. I was simply trying to help those of us that are professionals by cleaning this site up not enrage others. I don't intend to leave. If I left somewhere everytime some person online showed their brilliance I wouldn't have anywhere to go.

You are posting in the section of the forum called 'Hard Disk Drives: Data Recovery and repair', you still think this has nothing to do with DR??

How about joining a manufacturers forum, maybe seagate or WD have one you can join! Or maybe if its the actual HD you want to learn about, then maybe you should look into getting hold of user manuals for the hard disks from the manufacturers.

If its DR your interested in then everyone is happy, but if you feel like this forum is not what you want, why you still here? It is obviously good enough for you to make 34 posts!!

Magneto, you are a newbie with an attitude. You want answers with nothing to give in return. You are not nearly as knowledgable and skilled as many of the engineers here, and would take far too long to educate you. If this is a hobby, then great. If it is more serious than a hobby, then I would not expect too much.

I too can be professional, but if helping newbies learn the kind of information I know makes my career at risk, then I will not do it.

Is there anything specific you would like help with, or are you going to continue to argue and be arrogant trying to prove points that are not worth proving?

HDDHelp. Can I refer you to your joined date... Today, 12:14. Who's the newbie?

Fair enough hddguy. I can concede that point to you. I simply meant that I found this site on the internet with keywords that never included DR. And I also agree that you can't get any of the things that you mentioned above in regards to manufacturers. I'm still here because I'm not willing to give up. I think this could be a great site and I'm only here to help. Yeah my 34 posts aren't much but I have tried to keep my post numbers relevant even in this particular thread. How many others can say that? If we were to count how many of your posts just went to arguing with me we could probably go back and get rid of a lot of yours. That's not the point and I have never once tried to single out anyone.

I'm a little confused at the response because I'm just trying to get us more focused not less. I'm just trying to help.

@hddehelp - uncalled for and unproven. I've never attacked you and will not be drawn into that.

Nothing personal, but "wiseleo" and the hundreds of people like him trying to make a quick buck off of data recovery are a detriment to the industry as a whole, and should be sued for negligence and false advertising. I can count at least 6 drives that we have here now that were taken to people like this.....people who don't even know how to remove the heads properly, much less how to effectively replace them and recover the data. I have drives come in all the time with finger prints and dirt all over the platter, bent heads, scratches, and missing pieces. They all started out at some fly-by-night yokel.

The reason this gets me fired up is that I have seen drives come in where, for example, the drive had literally thousands of pictures of a couple's little girl that had just died of cancer, but some dumbass tried to swap the platters out free hand style, one of them was even put back in upside down! Those pictures are gone now, and based on the original symptoms, it was a WD drive and more than likely it was as simple as a corrupt translator.

It's not even the pricing that bothers me. We charge what we need to charge to make it worth while. We are higher than some and cheaper than others, but we guarantee our work. Hey, if you can recover a drive for $200 more power to you. It's stupid to do it that cheap, and most of these lazy companies just pick out the quick and easy jobs and then declare the other drives that need a little extra effort unrecoverable.

Sorry to rant, but it's starting to get out of hand. I'm not saying this industry is something special, but freakin heck, you don't have everyone and their brother thinking they can do a hip replacement just because they watched a video of it being done or asked about it on a message board. It takes time, money and a fair amount of skill to learn this trade.

How can you prove this? they are not marked in any way! Unless it was an old IBM

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I agree on all points you've made here except one (which I partially agree with you on). I preach personal responsibility. If the person who lost their child really wants their pics back, or anyone for that matter that finds their data important, they should do some research into the company. You reference doing a hip replacement surgery. You would look into the hospital that was doing yours right? If you researched them and they were a reputable hospital and THEN messed up your hip replacement, you are most certainly right: Sue for negligence. If you looked at the price and went with someone cheaper then you most certainly got what you paid for.

I totally agree. It is quite disturbing that should I be in a industry other than DR, I could be completely dependant on one of these 'fly-by-night' DR companies to retrieve my crucial financial accounts, or sentimental family photos, or important databases. Many businesses collapse as a result of loss of important business data. I have often recieved disks I have failed to recover as a result of work undertaken by incompetant DR firms, where the original failure is a fairly simple one to recover from.

It does take time, money, skill, and knowledge, and any DR firm without this should do the decent thing and leave alone what they dont understand. If a small DR outfit want to recover lost data after a re-install, then thats fine, but dont perform platterswaps on a disk with damaged TVS diode.

It is a specialised industry for a reason.