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 Post subject: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 10th, 2012, 7:48 
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Hi,

As your aware I'm getting my PC3000 UDMA & PC3000 Flash SSD shortly & I am wondering what motherboard etc to use.

Currently I have a test / training desktop tower pc that is a socket 775 cpu connection, Dual gig lan, SATA2 ports, RAID 0,1,5,10 & 8Gb of DDR2 ram, PCI & PCIe. Have got an old pent 4D 3.4Ghz dual core cpu but was thinking of upgrading to a 3Ghz quad ive seen on Ebay. Would this be worth it or not?
Or should I build a i7 system?

If its ok then would you setup a raid 5 (12Tb) in it to use for storage or buy a NAS RAID 5 storage box?


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
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loki wrote:
Hi,

As your aware I'm getting my PC3000 UDMA & PC3000 Flash SSD shortly & I am wondering what motherboard etc to use.

Currently I have a test / training desktop tower pc that is a socket 775 cpu connection, Dual gig lan, SATA2 ports, RAID 0,1,5,10 & 8Gb of DDR2 ram, PCI & PCIe. Have got an old pent 4D 3.4Ghz dual core cpu but was thinking of upgrading to a 3Ghz quad ive seen on Ebay. Would this be worth it or not?
Or should I build a i7 system?

If its ok then would you setup a raid 5 (12Tb) in it to use for storage or buy a NAS RAID 5 storage box?


Thanks

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 10th, 2012, 9:26 
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loki wrote:
Hi,

As your aware I'm getting my PC3000 UDMA & PC3000 Flash SSD shortly & I am wondering what motherboard etc to use.

Currently I have a test / training desktop tower pc that is a socket 775 cpu connection, Dual gig lan, SATA2 ports, RAID 0,1,5,10 & 8Gb of DDR2 ram, PCI & PCIe. Have got an old pent 4D 3.4Ghz dual core cpu but was thinking of upgrading to a 3Ghz quad ive seen on Ebay. Would this be worth it or not?
Or should I build a i7 system?

If its ok then would you setup a raid 5 (12Tb) in it to use for storage or buy a NAS RAID 5 storage box?


Thanks



Thanks yes I had read that, think I just wanted to confirm what I had was good enough.

Would you recommend a nas box or RAID in a PC?

Thanks

Loki


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 10th, 2012, 9:49 
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NAS is better, (RAID1) for ur important files
had 4TB before, added new 12TB recently

mine is I7 Extreme 12mb cache + 4GB mem + Asus MB (2 units)

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 10th, 2012, 10:24 
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IMO PC3K is not dependent on good/fast hardware at all. You will be limited by the speed of the slow/sick/failing drives you are trying to work with.

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 10th, 2012, 10:33 
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Now that would be great if my boss would also allow me to play BF3


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NAS is better, (RAID1) for ur important files
had 4TB before, added new 12TB recently

mine is I7 Extreme 12mb cache + 4GB mem + Asus MB (2 units)

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 10th, 2012, 10:37 
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Now that would be great if my boss would also allow me to play BF3


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einstein9 wrote:
NAS is better, (RAID1) for ur important files
had 4TB before, added new 12TB recently

mine is I7 Extreme 12mb cache + 4GB mem + Asus MB (2 units)



Now thats just cruel :lol: might even be against your human rights :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 11th, 2012, 3:44 
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drc wrote:
IMO PC3K is not dependent on good/fast hardware at all. You will be limited by the speed of the slow/sick/failing drives you are trying to work with.


sorry, but again disagree with u here
my DB is like 40GB more or less, searching in my db before used to take 40-1 1/5min on good P4
now not more than 20sec.

in addition MAC FS or Fat32 in DE now are more amazing.

btw & FYI, i did my homework with my stop watch using both options, faster processor helps alot

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 11th, 2012, 4:38 
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Does PC3000 support Multi Core / multi - thread?

I would be interested to see what a cheaper i5 3.33ghz will be like compared to your expensive Intel Extreme :idea:

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 11th, 2012, 8:50 
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Well, i guess i know what u mean PM on the way

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 13th, 2012, 14:48 
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PC3000UDMA -> bottle neck in transfer rate is in failing drives, system must be online 24h/24h so better to have i3 cpu (65Watts against 130W of i5/i7) a good Power (active) + good UPS

PC3000FLASH -> Bottle neck is in cpu+hard drive subsystem, here i have got i7 + SSD as hard drive in SATA6 mode (white colour from mobo)

In both system of course XP 32bit and a good motherboard ( i use asus with power control energy system with SATA6 + USB3.0 )

at the end you will get super stable system, but don't buy mobo with graphic card integrated.


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 13th, 2012, 16:27 
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positivebit wrote:
but don't buy mobo with graphic card integrated.


Interesting.
can you explain?
I have been running a udma on such machine with absolutely no problem. I chose integrated vga on mobo because i thought it is less power consuming.

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 13th, 2012, 17:45 
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System memory is shared with VGA memory, this always bring less stability.True about Vga integrated is less power consuption, but if u buy a basic Nvidia with silent cooler you will have only few watts but more clean system memory.


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 13th, 2012, 17:55 
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einstein9 wrote:
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my DB is like 40GB more or less, searching in my db before used to take 40-1 1/5min on good P4
now not more than 20sec.

in addition MAC FS or Fat32 in DE now are more amazing.

btw & FYI, i did my homework with my stop watch using both options, faster processor helps alot


This is interesting to test, if you can, just before asking something to DB to open CTRL+ALT+CANC and see cpu performance ( not the spike) and report?

I think you got better result of P4 becouse you had a better hard drive (40GB of database should run faster on a P4 with a SSD than a i7 with a SATA hard drive)

Rgds.


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 14th, 2012, 6:38 
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positivebit wrote:
einstein9 wrote:
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my DB is like 40GB more or less, searching in my db before used to take 40-1 1/5min on good P4
now not more than 20sec.

in addition MAC FS or Fat32 in DE now are more amazing.

btw & FYI, i did my homework with my stop watch using both options, faster processor helps alot


This is interesting to test, if you can, just before asking something to DB to open CTRL+ALT+CANC and see cpu performance ( not the spike) and report?

I think you got better result of P4 becouse you had a better hard drive (40GB of database should run faster on a P4 with a SSD than a i7 with a SATA hard drive)

Rgds.



Sorry, but disagree with you here, i made my test/homework and SAW the Diff. here
and maybe you did not pay atten. to DE notes i mentioned, try and see it ur self my dear.

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 14th, 2012, 6:47 
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@einstein9

i did not write about DE in my last post, but about database speed.


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 16th, 2012, 8:31 
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Did you mean this??

got 2 for testing here


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: February 16th, 2012, 13:11 
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yes i meant that..can u test database performance compared to a motor one hdd..
2 in raid 0 could be amazing :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
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May be overkill but I find my ocz ssd makes a massive speed difference when creating tasks in DE

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 Post subject: Re: PC hardware recommendations for PC3000 UDMA
PostPosted: March 9th, 2012, 4:27 
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I'm changing my UDMA machines, will upgrade from old Athlon to this:

i5@ 3,3
4GB RAM
1x SSD OCZ (as per buster's suggestion) for OS and Program Files
1x2TB WD FAEX (for image files etc)
1GB PCI-e Nvidia
Corsair 550W
ASUS Mobo usb3.0 etc

That would cost me approx. 550 euros.

I'll let you know how it feels when it's set.

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