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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: August 6th, 2010, 19:29 
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they told me, you just have one single hd doctor and you don't have other tools at all.


Let me share a secret with you. Sometimes it's wise to purchase each SD doctor under a different company or user. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: September 16th, 2010, 6:06 
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I finally can start say something here because I am going to get my DC tomorrow!

After a long time research and compare, I decided to go with Data Compass in the begining and see how's everything going. It's really nice talking with Edison and Ashley for their good services and I am convinced defintiely.

I did see a lot of improvements in the sd new forum and especially data compass, i didn't pay anything extra for the coming upgrades and I was told there's no 500GB limit now...well short to say, I joined to be part of sd and hope we can discuss freely, maybe here, maybe in sd new forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: September 16th, 2010, 6:44 
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The no limit has been lifted but is still in testing - It is in the DC 9.5 Version - soon to be released - with a few other extra features.

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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: September 25th, 2010, 21:42 
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Hello real DC customers,

I am using DC2011, not testing the DC9.5 yet. One solution I found great is the WD ROLY SA boot, with it, I fixed my own first drive and found my data back. I was thinking there's no hope for it because no detection and with some clicking but finally Edison suggested me to try load from the secondary head and it works.

One question I want to ask is that:

Does the SA boot supports all ROYL series and only ROYL series? Can I use with other WD series?

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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: January 6th, 2011, 1:55 
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Great ,
The New Version is Greatly Improved Also is thier other tools .I do not have the SD doctor samsung and Toshiba / Fujitsu .

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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: January 7th, 2011, 2:29 
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Old post I know, but I figured why not put in my 2c. Those who are pros probably already know most of this, but for those who are 'just getting in to it', or are not sure:

Salvation Data, where to start.. Pros consider this system a joke, but all the same you might as well justify your opinion. As for me, want to know if I own them? Well I use the same name in the SD forums as here if you want to check. DC, HDD, and HDPE.

First, Pros, by tool:

HD Doctor Series:

the manual has gotten eons better over the last year or so, from something absolutely useless and often times dangerously difficult to understand, to semi-edited pieces of text that can yield an answer.

their system usually does firmware dumps well, dumping info to files and uploading on WD, maxtor, seagate and hitachi directly via the boards

Support of drives is pretty universal, for features they do have

Allows some limited troubleshooting to diagnose a problem without opening the drive or doing further electrical analysis, depending on the problem

a few semi-useful to highly useful features - spin-up / spin-down motor, etc..


DC

better than straight DDRescue in some circumstances, such as when the drive requires being reset repeatedly; also, graphical...

Allows soft, hard and full power reset. Also, dedicated power supply.

Simple support for turning off sector reallocation (done with same ATA cmd as hdparm, so its just as unsuccessful on most drives)

allows alternate boot modes on hitachi and WD royl drives

What if I've already slowly imaged the file table of the ntfs partition (which had many sectors that had to be read back and forth, ultra-slow to put together) and now I want to extract 200 files from a directory that are probably fine and have no bad sectors, only.. without imaging the whole drive? Shadowdisk means this information doesn't get reread. Not a bad feature, and surprisingly actually works most of the time

allows imaging just the used data on ntfs partitions (but not hfs strangely, which it just selects the entire partition for)

Cons

HD Doctor

these are really just one device, the four devices feel like a scam to get you to feel like you're getting more than you are. There is zero technical reason why you need four different items and four different programs here.

many features, sadly done better by linux / opensource / available tools

interface looks like components were quickly dropped onto the canvas and sat there. No explanation or warnings on features that can easily kill a drive.

Constant, obvious sloppy code - programs are not multi-threaded and will freeze while any command is executed. very little effort put in to doing more than 'getting it working', feels like that's where they stopped. For instance, seagate 7200.11 busy issue, which requires little more than entering a few commands to the serial interface, has a button which says basically 'read manual'. Manual's instructions are missing several key items which do not completely solve the issue on many drives

spelling mistakes in the program and issues abound in the manuals

useful features are often hampered by either being hidden away or not fully functional; features present in one device are not in others - the power guage, for instance, is a nice way of seeing if the board is drawing too much power.. but it's only present in one program - why?

DC

painful, because DC could be really really useful but often fails due to sloppy sloppy coding. Iterate a file tree, right click, and there's a create html output. Great! I can send that to the customer! Except, it doesn't properly iterate the files and folders, only the single folder I've selected at that time.. so I'll get what, one folder at a time? useless.

potentially dangerous - turns on the drive as soon as you hook it up. the program will also sometimes randomly start a drive you've turned off..

file extraction - intensive, extensive extraction are my only options.. great. What does that mean guys? how about getting to choose how many sectors it copies in a go, instead of these abstract terms?

If overvolting the board (they say pre-amp, but I'm assuming they just step up the voltage on the 5v line) actually yields results, why can we only activate this if we also activate shadowdisk? I haven't even tried it, because it sounds incredibly foolish, like something that is asking to make a hard drive into a smoking Christmas tree.. maybe one day I'll try it on a test drive for fun.

statistics? what statistics? doesn't take any stats while copying an image, so when you try and get an idea of how much is copied, you have to stop the process, right click, and get the task stats.. and wait 10 minutes as the program has frozen while it loops through and counts every block it finished..

ntfs it reads the volume bitmap to allow you to image just the file data, except it will of course freeze if there's a bad sector in the bitmap entry. Also, HFS+ has a volume bitmap as well guys, how come when I try and image an HFS partition it just selects the entire partition, including blank space? I guess it's at least a positive that they support HFS to begin with..

HD HPE

notice how this one isn't even in the pros section?

the platter exchangers feel flimsy as heck, I wouldn't trust them to do a swap with.

the gloves + mask that come with it are cheap cheap fabric, and just for fun I took apart a junk drive with them on to see.. sure enough, little fabric bits pill off the gloves onto the platter! do not bring within 10 ft. of clean room!


In conclusion - is it worth the money? HD HPE no. HD Doctor and DC have uses, and with a little more polish from the SD camp, they will be worth what everyone paid for them. I would suggest extreme amounts of knowledge in the field to begin with, and the take away here is that you're buying a cheap hammer. In the right hands this hammer could probably build a house.. just don't expect the people who usually build houses to have it in their toolbox.

Also, Angel and the support staff are quite nice people, and to their credit are very responsive.


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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: February 12th, 2011, 5:28 
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I found many people here selling stuffs only playing with their little tricks, what's left is only to remind those kind new ones to be wise to judge by your own research and commnunicate with possible suppliers directly...I use the same ID in Salvationdata forum with all tools now.

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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: February 23rd, 2011, 17:59 
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Thanks for all the information on pros and cons. I too purchased the whole setup, but have been hindered by the poor documentation. DC is useful for getting the spec. information (LBA, SN, etc) from drives that have no label or some old drives that do not always have everything on the label. I find little that other software or the Tableau devices cannot do.

Where is a good source for learning how to diagnose and recover from physical failures? I am an experienced PC tech trying to get into data recovery. I took InfoSecs course but it is very basic.

Thanks to all the pros who are willing to share!!

J. Easley


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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: June 24th, 2011, 3:13 
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I own a Data Compass Standard and 4 HD Doctors and HD HPE Pro. I use the base from HD HPE Pro to do all my clean room work and the magnet removal tool. I my opinion there is nothing wrong with HD HPE Pro. I do agree the platter exchangers appear flimsy, but seem to be better than the plastic platter swap tools that you get from a certain vendor in India. The HD Doctors are much more useful if you purchase the re-written manuals like I did from some one in this forum. The HD Doctors are a poor mans PC3000. You only need to fix a few Seagate 7200.11 bricking HD's to pay for all the HD Doctors. In my opinion, they are a useful tool for hard drives that are not recoginzed in the bios. They can help eliminate what it isn't. Regarding the Data Compass, it can be very helpful to extract selected data without creating an entire image of a drive. Forget about using it as an imager, it is too slow due to the USB2 bottleneck. To image large drives, use a good high end imager that is designed for imaging drives with bad sectors. The manual for Data Compass needs be be updated to explain how to use all the new features that have been added since version 8x that is currently shown in the latest manual from June 2010. Just my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Data compass post in if you own one
PostPosted: June 28th, 2011, 4:52 
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Hello Alan, I do agree with you the manual from sd needs updates as well. I have now 1dc standard, 1 dc premium and 6 hd doctors, 3 dc kings, 2 hpe pros now. My engineers like them all especiall dc and hpe pro and they even wrote their own guides for the tools for our new engineers in the lab instead of using the sd standard ones. Besides, people can consider ann's user guides on st and wd.

so, anybody from sd reading here? please update your manuals asap and you can be one very big player in this field.

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