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 Post subject: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 14:14 
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this message is for all hdd guru's

As a data recovery tech for over 12 years & counting... I would like to say that thinking outside the box is one of the biggest advantages to repairing hard drives... with that being said, I have just been given the go-ahead from my employer to research the opportunity of releasing one of these in house developed tools

I’m excited on a break-thru of developing a GOOD tool for retrieving data from jammed, stuck Seagate spindles of all sizes
Yesterday I put our prototype to the test with great results:
Three drives recovered with the process preparing for cloning taking about 5 minutes each

Results in more detail below

ST31500341AS - Dropped & jammed - heads close to park area of platter.. cloned in 5 hours 28 bad sectors
ST31000333AS - Dropped & jammed - heads in park area.. cloned in 3 hours no bad sectors
ST31000340AS - Dropped & jammed - heads located in outer edge obviously dropped while running extracted data only 7 hours while avoiding multiple errors from platter damage.

All where recovered with original heads :)

I guess the next stage is finding if there’s even a market for this device?
Plus your input on a fair pricing level would be greatly appreciated.. as in..what would you pay for this tool with the price being above $100.00 & below $1000.00 USD

One thing is certain if the interest isn’t there... then we will keep this for in house use only

your feed back would be greatly appreciated

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 14:28 
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Out of curiosity, when you say dropped and jammed, are you saying that the seizure is only because of the heads being stuck to the platters or are there cases when the spindle is physically seized too?

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 14:41 
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Great question :)
Yes all where completely stuck, seized spindle motors... NOT heads stuck to the platter preventing the drive from spinning.
I am aware in rare cases this does happen... but not very often


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 14:52 
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Im also excited by my results, after the initial thoughts, drawings, plans, test models etc.. the prototype is 3 from 3 & not 3 from 5 drives
results where solid & these are clients (now very happy clients) drives not test subjects


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 15:04 
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how about a picture of this device you are using to unseize Seagate motors. There area a bunch of professional tools out there already that help with unsticking motors, what makes yours different. Your three test drives are all from the 7200.11 family which I have to say are the easiest to get unstuck with a little work with them. Over 90% of that family I can get unstuck and spun to speed without any special tool.

Just curious... Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 15:15 
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I will will know more in time with other models but results should be the same.
As this is only part of a process, to get feedback on if its even worth releasing

I am aware of multiple techniques.. some good some bad some high risk

The problem is knowing & trusting a product or method that generates the most results with minimum risk at a reasonable cost


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 16:06 
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It can be a very interesting tool if it works OK and have a good price.

If you can, post more details, pictures, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 16:29 
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I would pay $1000 if it really works like that. How about 5 days trial? If not satisfied, I will send it back to you. I will pay for the shipping both ways. Hopefully, it will not be heavy.

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 17:12 
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I am unable to provide pictures as this is simple in design & very affective... understanding the real problem associated with the fault has helped
there are many methods & theory’s online as well as you tube video's but this is completely different.. I am also trying to implement the same technique for the old beeping jammed Maxtor's plus the WD but right now I am really focusing on if there’s a market for it... I am meeting with the fabricators Tuesday for manufacturing costs

But like anything once its out there... it gets duplicated

I'm thinking that the tool will be accompanied by a how to video along with a presentation on why and how it works.

after using available products and various techniques I came to the conclusion that a more reliable and affordable product had to be developed.


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2011, 17:54 
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I am leaving for the day but I will keep a close eye on all your questions
I appreciate all the responses so far... have a good weekend & talk again soon


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 6th, 2011, 13:42 
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Without any pics of the device ( or videos on how to use it) it will be a hard sell on any pros out there. No one is blindly going to buy a tool without seeing it unless it is real cheap, like under a 100 bucks ( and that is pushing it). Since there are a lot of tools out that do show pics and how to use it and are pure junk (HDRC platter tools anyone). All the other professional tools out there that you can buy provide pictures and some even videos of how to use it before you buy it.

If you are not going to post pics I would send out some test units to some of the pros on here for testing, since word of mouth will help you a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 6th, 2011, 14:05 
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Cleanroom wrote:
Without any pics of the device ( or videos on how to use it) it will be a hard sell on any pros out there. No one is blindly going to buy a tool without seeing it unless it is real cheap, like under a 100 bucks ( and that is pushing it). Since there are a lot of tools out that do show pics and how to use it and are pure junk (HDRC platter tools anyone). All the other professional tools out there that you can buy provide pictures and some even videos of how to use it before you buy it.

If you are not going to post pics I would send out some test units to some of the pros on here for testing, since word of mouth will help you a lot.

Agree

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 6th, 2011, 16:59 
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Im thinking $300..with a slideshow presentation & instruction DVD professionally animated
I might even release the presentation blurred before we release it

Testing models is a valid option as well... good point :) and thats why im here also ive never used the platter removal stuff as I know why it dosnt work.


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 7th, 2011, 9:41 
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My additional devils advocate response... at this point. This is what will happen. Someone on here ( Maybe a few people) will buy one as the guinea pig. Once they receive it they will post pics of it on here and how to use it and whether it is worth the 300 bucks you want to sell it for. At that point there is nothing to hide. If those people says its crap, I doubt you will get many sales past that, if it is worth 300 bucks and gods gift to seized motors you will make some money. If it is something that could be made by anyone for under 50 bucks well... you may need to drop your price.

Just giving you a heads up. Like I said word of mouth is key.

Not trying to be mean or anything just trying to get your management out of their secrecy shell.

Not everyone on here is here to steal secrets and make money. If there are tools out there that help in data recovery and we can help make it a little better, people will buy it. Trust me, no one wants to take time and make tools when they can be bought for a reasonable price. Time is money.


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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 7th, 2011, 10:26 
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Patents exist for a reason, if you feel it's that good, then take the necessary steps BEFORE you start advertising it....

Myself, I already have a tool that we had made that performs this procedure extremely well.

All the best tho..

Steve..

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 3:39 
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Can i cut in?

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 13:09 
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helpdisc wrote:

Very nice...as would be expected from you. Do you plan to make adapters so that the one device can work for other brands/models of drive?

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
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lcoughey wrote:
Do you plan to make adapters so that the one device can work for other brands/models of drive?

Even if not I would say that Seagate accounts for at least 90% of all stuck spindles

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 14:19 
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drc wrote:
lcoughey wrote:
Do you plan to make adapters so that the one device can work for other brands/models of drive?

Even if not I would say that Seagate accounts for at least 90% of all stuck spindles

This is true.

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 Post subject: Re: jammed seagate spindle tool
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 14:32 
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Nikola did good tool . :good:
Already tested.
And i would add: Extremely only for PRO with right hands not for newbies.

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