labtech wrote:
There are many things working against you that will not take your testing far:
1) from your pic, the smooth chip seems damaged as well and that will prevent any spinning whatsoever, even with the business card trick, which is a good test that would not cause any additional mechanical damage.
2) since the damage is extensive, there could be even more damage, such as with the preamp as other suggested, but also with the motor windings.
3) since there is no external ROM, an easy PCB swap will unfortunately not work. The ROM will ha e to be rebuilt or MCU controller swapped which is no easy task.
4) providing a part, whether it is PCB or whole drive, should be the least of worries about keeping cost low. This will be an expensive recovery.
Thank you
labtech for your Hints yes I know that an Easy PCB will not work and I'm not even trying to do it myself I'm sure this particular case isn't a DIY at all and that is why I'm trying to to gain as much info as i can so i can decide with whom i will proceed. but thank you again you now makes me worry about the Motor too instead of paying attention to the PreAmp only. and thanks for confirming the the B.Card Test will not Cause any further Damage when it is tried with a working PCB for sure not a Faulty one. What o you suggest to test the PreAmp or even the Motor with an External Multimeter?!.
BlackST wrote:
labtech : ditto !
Unfortunately this is a case where "it's not always Sunday" = it's not a NON-FAILURE like a TVS or straight PCB swap with a little more work to move a chip.
I have never seen a TRUE case where remote multimetering/help/diagnose over a forum - including this one - done by inexperienced user has lead to a successful repair of a PCB when the problem was only a bit more extended than a single component failure like a TVS or a fuse-like component.Moving SOIC chips like an ext. flash to a working PCB doesn't count.
Replacing a broken inductor or broken component - assuming it is easily available, doesn't count too : the PCB was fully functional, just with a broken piece.
Only saw few case where a successful transplant of a combo chip or MCU or so, done with adequate equipment , lead to successful repair of the PCB. IF they were not between the people we know here, for sure they knew what to do and had at hand what it takes to get the job done.
The disaster list, instead, is longer than Brooklyn bridge.
My opinion : this PCB is badly damaged and probably there is something else (internally) damaged too, you'll never know unless you can perform a complete diagnose. NO, a simple multimeter can not give you certainty, you can ONLY see if there is a complete short (well, that's better than nothing) but you can't diagnose a potential overload or another kind of damage that fry a new PCB at power on.
Testing the motor is the same : there are dedicated solutions for checking and testing it without damaging anything and being 100% sure about functionality, but again it's not a multimeter : if there is a small short on one winding, depending on where, you have almost the same reading on "cheapo" multimeters, and it will kill a new PCB or make it malfunction.
If you really want to do something, you should need a compatible PCB and a dedicated HW tool to work with such drive: the tool is used to "jumpstart" the drive. All this if you cannot be certain of the integrity of the headstack. Scenario 1: the new PCB is killed : it's game over for sure , need cleanroom work and a lot of things more.
Scenario 2 : it starts - it's 50%. Need to move ROM or build it from the drive, then make it work and access data.
Sorry for bringing bad news, anyway good luck.
BlackST Thank you for your long reply that confirms my opinion and agreement with you that this isn't a DIY job. But I have some Questions:
but according to the history of this case lets say the whole PCB will be replaced which has been done with someone with experience and he knows what he is doing regarding HDD PCB swapping but this didn't make the Hard work. as I mentioned above I wasn't able to hear any thing coming from the hard disk nor normal or abnormal sounds.
So the question is How can I externally using a multimeter detect a general Short using the PreAmp Pins. yes to make sure that the preAmp is shorted will give hope that the Motor is fine as simply if it is a faulty motor no one in my country will be able to do a platter replacement at all. I don't think we have a proper tools here that can help in doing this. so as far as can be done here it is a Head Stack Swap which i'm not sure about 100% that can be done smoothly.
So according to your too Scenarios I'm sure that the 1st scenario didn't occur for any one of the replaced PCB as they were still working after putting them on another drives after using them on mine.
fzabkar wrote:
labtech wrote:
1) from your pic, the smooth chip seems damaged as well and that will prevent any spinning whatsoever, even with the business card trick
The test was meant for the donor PCB. Sorry if that wasn't obvious.
Thank you again
fzabkar I'm still waiting for your demonstration to help me doign an external MultiMeter test for through the PreAmp Pins.
Thank you All you are really helpful. waiting to read back from all of you.