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 Post subject: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 17th, 2014, 14:23 
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I've only seen this issue one other time in the last couple of years, and in that instance the customer didn't want to do the recovery, so we didn't pursue.

This is a 500GB 7200.11. The problem is, the drive was shorted and it actually blew the ROM chip. Any PCB will work on the drive, but when you transfer the original ROM to the PCB it won't spin up.

Just curious if anyone has any suggestions on what course of action to take with this. Everything I do with regard to Seagate drives is handled through Terminal. I don't use ACE or Salvation tools. But may decide to go ahead and get them if that is the only possible solution.

Feel free to reply or PM.

Thanks for your time.
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 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 17th, 2014, 14:44 
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Have you tried to read the ROM with a programmer?

Failing that..

Damaged or lost ROM on modern (F3 architecture) drives is a total nightmare due to the 100% UNIQUE adaptive info programmed into the ROM.

Ace or Salvation tools alone will NOT help you, very specialist skills and knowledge are required to rebuild a ROM. We can't do it here, in fact I know of only one company who say they can do it and I believe them.

PM me if you're interested in being put in touch with the main man, as I'm not sure he even wants it publicly known he's cracked this difficult issue. But don't expect it to be cheap!

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shahij
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 18th, 2014, 4:35 
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I had a case yesterday and rejected the case by seeing the issue with ROM.
Regarding Seagate F3 drives ROM can't be rebuilt so far - this is what I know b4 reading the reply of pcimage. I am also interested to know who can fix it so that at least I can forward my client there.

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 19th, 2014, 7:54 
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Rebuilding the ROM on F3 drives is possible.

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shahij
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 19th, 2014, 12:03 
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northwind wrote:
Rebuilding the ROM on F3 drives is possible.


oh, that's wow
is it possible on all the drives? or it depends?

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 19th, 2014, 12:36 
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On all. There are a few issues with Grenada's, but in general, it can be done for all.

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northwind
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 19th, 2014, 13:52 
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You have to send drive in, to get it recovered.

Clicking is normal, since drive cant find adaptives. The preamp is maybe fried as well, but clicking is not because of that.

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michael chiklis
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 20th, 2014, 11:14 
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Spildit wrote:
Can you provide more details on that ?

I have a 7200.11 - 750 GB from a costumer with a fried ROM chip that can't be read by programmer at all (ROM is gone).

Can you hint on how to procede ?

Compatible PCB with non-native ROM won't allow me to download the firmware modules and the drive just clicks. Maybe pre-amp is also toasted.


Sometimes if on the pcb there are shorted components around the rom, then rom can't be read with eprom.
Try do remove the rom from pcb with a hot air soldering station then try to read rom with eprom.

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einstein9
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 21st, 2014, 3:47 
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Spildit wrote:
MRT tools will support recovery of F3 Arch ROM.

http://malthus.zapto.org/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=828

http://info.mrtlab.com/

They should start comercializing a English version sometime soon.


Ask them about the Requirements to do so then:

get a working F3 drive, send them the whatever files they need to reGen the ROM
Write it back to your drive and see if that works or not

then you will know if it works or not

otherwise Me and many others are not buying those stories really

and if it works, am buying it and all others for sure

good luck

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scratchy
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 21st, 2014, 5:44 
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Cant get through to http://Malthus.zapto.org ... NOD32 says the site is malicious.

Probably not the case, but owner could check out it hasn't been hijacked/XSS'd or whatever.

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shahij
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 22nd, 2014, 4:14 
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someone confirmed that no tool can do it. even MRT can't.
@splidit, did MRT confirm it ? how to generate as with donor pcb u cant access SA? there should be another way..

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 22nd, 2014, 4:23 
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scratchy wrote:
Cant get through to http://Malthus.zapto.org ... NOD32 says the site is malicious.

Probably not the case, but owner could check out it hasn't been hijacked/XSS'd or whatever.


http://google.com/safebrowsing/diagnost ... ddguru.com

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What is the current listing status for hddguru.com?

This site is not currently listed as suspicious.

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 144 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 0 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2014-04-21, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2014-04-21.

Malicious software includes 41 trojan(s).


http://google.com/safebrowsing/diagnost ... .zapto.org

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What is the current listing status for malthus.zapto.org?

This site is not currently listed as suspicious.

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 1 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 0 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2014-04-13, and suspicious content was never found on this site within the past 90 days.

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Nick_CT
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 24th, 2014, 13:31 
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Interesting thread. I've had 2 cases this year which I deemed unrecoverable.

1. Seagate F3 (7200.11) with lost native PCB.
2. Toshiba 5059 with dead ROM, ROM not readable via reader, physically damaged.

Everyone I spoke to gave me the same answer that neither were possible.

The Seagate client is desperate as they have a large Bitcoin wallet on the drive.

Sean and Dimitris, have you experienced first hand a successful F3 ROM rebuild?

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 24th, 2014, 13:37 
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Rebuild from...nick?
There is not a copy in sa on both family.
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northwind
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 25th, 2014, 5:33 
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Nick, talk you to private.

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michael chiklis
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 25th, 2014, 9:48 
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With DFL you can do adaptives on F3 drives after head swap.

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17MnqQ9woVI

go to point 4'15" in the video

I think with DFL is possible to regen rom adaptives also with lost native pcb, what do you think?

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shahij
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 25th, 2014, 14:24 
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michael chiklis wrote:
With DFL you can do adaptives on F3 drives after head swap.

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17MnqQ9woVI

go to point 4'15" in the video

I think with DFL is possible to regen rom adaptives also with lost native pcb, what do you think?


It has been discussed on DFL already, it's not Regen with lost PCB, it's only combining NATIVE ROM and DONOR ROM for generating only after HEAD REPLACEMENT. DFL also confirmed that no tool can solve F3 ROM issue so far.

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michael chiklis
 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
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ok thank you shahij

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 26th, 2014, 2:24 
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No tool could regen ROM on F3 so far , only one person (yet) from this forum can DO that using own development.
And solution is not for selling , if i am not mistaken. If you need, you have to deliver drive to him.

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 Post subject: Re: Seagate With A Damaged ROM
PostPosted: April 26th, 2014, 5:07 
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DR-Kiev wrote:
No tool could regen ROM on F3 so far , only one person (yet) from this forum can DO that using own development.
And solution is not for selling , if i am not mistaken. If you need, you have to deliver drive to him.


Who is he?

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